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I heard he was with his dad and fell 25 feet and is in "Serious" condition. I believe he is 15 years old and it happened on the Rim east of Payson. Sounded like he got too close to the edge and lost his footing. Not much else was mentioned, I hope he makes a full recovery. I'm sure the father is pretty upset. Prayers for the family.

Call your Congressman and tell them to say no to the US taking military action against Syria. If Obama wants it so bad let him go over there and do it himself. Nothing good will come of it.

Best wishes for a fast recovery Josh,

Arrived @ 5am and watched the sunrise. Plenty of WW's but only managed four. Filled the rest of my limit with Mourning Doves. I scouted the area the day before but the flyway was more to the tree line west of me but I managed to get more on the return flight along with my son and his friend and we all limited it just took a while. It didn't help that my firing pin wasn't striking 30% of the time so it is time to retire/donate that one. Going back tomorrow. There were enough birds that I should have been done by sunrise. I usually hunt Sossaman/Warner but wasn't sure if the area to the SW was open and the gal at G&F had no clue. It looks like Sossaman is going to get re-aligned with Ray pretty soon. Trust me, I'd much rather drive 30 miles than 90 miles.

I spent that much in fuel just scouting. PM sent.

I didn't read one response that was believable.

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I started my son out at 10 with a single shot 410. At 12 we got him a Youth 870 in 20 gauge. He is now 6'3" and has bought a few 12 gauges of his own and we put a slip on recoil pad on the 870 to lengthen the pull and he still uses it on and off. One thing though was it would sometimes lock up and I would have to hold tightly on the stock and forearm while hitting the rear of the stock on the ground to free it up so it would eject. I was able to duplicate it locking up if I pulled on the trigger while the safety was on. For Dove, Quail a 20 gauge is just fine and all I use most of the time myself.

Take her out on some scouting trips so she can see what it'll be like and you can see how much hiking she can do. Be prepared, she will be sore after the first day. How active is she usually? Does she do aerobics or is she going to do anything to prepare? On the average most womens muscles aren't as dense or developed as a mans and also take a longer time to recoup from strenuous activity. She will use every muscle in her legs in ways that are tough to prepare for in a gym when she is hiking up and down a mountain. Have her stretch before each outing like runners do before a marathon and bring an extra pair of socks. She needs to be challenged but not overwhelmed if she isn't she will not have anything to draw from if the occasion arises where she has to pour it on for a short time to close the distance. Set a goal each day and achieve it, raise the bar the next time. That is what I did with my wife and kids and their still talking to me. LOL Remember, she is doing this because she also loves you and wants to spend time with you and wants to be part of the excitement.

Same here. Amazing though they have no problems committing your time to a customer for 16 hours on a Saturday though.

I have been running them on my F250 and have gotten upwards of 55K on them. they are 305-55X20 Load Range E

Optics Planet has the specs for FOV which is basically dependent on which power setting you are on vs mm objective. The exit pupil factor on the 65 @ 15X is 4.3 where the 80 @20X is 4. Maybe someone has one you could look through to help nudge your decision. I would read every review I could find. A trip to http://outdoorsmans.com/ might be worthwhile to actually look through some.

I assume it isn't NIB so how old is it and how many rounds down the pipe?

Go have some fish tacos and a couple of cold ones. Just make sure they don't try to slip some granola on them. LOL

Isn't CWT.Com an awesome place? No get out there and draw some blood.. LOL

I have a Leica 1600 Rangemaster and seems to work fine most of the time. But, there have been a few times when it just refuses to give a yardage. I have found that this was when I was in the shade and tried to range the opposite hill that was in the sun in the early morning when temps were hovering around freezing. I could turn 90* and range something else, just not what I wanted to range at the time. They are fast and easy to handle ergonomically but definitely not infallible.

My son and I were up in 12B and found a water tank on the edge of a field. We set up in the mid afternoon on the edge of some trees about 200 yards from it. After a few hours a hunter and his wife walk past us on the road and seeing us turn around and walk back the way they came. Turns out they only went about 30 yards and set up. Now this guy was probably late 40's, Nosler rifle, Swaro Optics and a pretty new Powerstroke (I think it was a King Ranch) and probably had close to $10K in optics and rifles for him and the wife. Makes you wonder. We hunted hard for four days on foot with packs and never saw another hunter on foot. Every hunter we saw was driving around @ 2MPH with uncased guns. We even had a father son in a white chevy heading towards us as my son was stalking a couple of deer. They were about 400 yards away and I was waving for them to stop which they finally did about 250 yards away as the der busted out of the trees and started across the field. What completely freaked me out was they both jumped out with rifles and although they could plainly see us they son (early 20's)raised his rifle to shoot. Thank goodness the dad, an older white haired fellow waved him off at the last second. Just crazy.

I run across a few Ranch Dogs that just like to get out and run often finding a doe to chase and run down. Biggest problem is a lone dog can become an easy target for a big Tom or a pack of yotes.

If you post it in the Classifieds section you will get more views.

There are always going to be those who place more value on the outcome of the hunt than the overall experience. I was guilty of this when I first started hunting deer. Back then it was all about killing my first deer and there were a few years before I succeeded. I didn't know anyone who hunted so it was all about reading books, magazines and just walking around. To me deer were just things to kill, soulless targets with hair and antlers. That first buck, a spike Mule Deer taken near Cottonwood Camp in the Superstitions was a lot of work. I had not much more than a rifle, sleeping bag and an old two wheel drive Chevy truck. After tracking the deer I hung it in a small tree in the wash where it died. I had tied a rope around it and ran it up over a branch and struggled to get it up off the ground. I grabbed the deer around the chest with my right arm and lifted the deer while pulling the rope with my left hand then stepping on the rope to keep it from slipping back. I carried the gutted deer on my shoulders about 100 yards to the truck then drove home where I butchered it on the kitchen table, before my wife got home. I'v now managed to kill a few more deer, each one a memory and I now understand that each one has a spirit and is a gift. Sorry for being so long winded.

You did the right thing by not making a big deal out of it.

I'll probably be burning diesel on Saturday looking for birds to hunt on opening day as the cattle company shut the area down we used to hunt, looks like a road will be cut through it. Anyone been out to Paloma? Used to be great but not so much anymore since the place change ownership and the feedlot went in south of Water Melon Rd.

The east Valley has been relatively dry with the storms of the last few days. For you dyed in the wool Browning Guys, good news. THE HUMP IS BACK! http://www.browning.com/library/infonews/detail.asp?id=372

Only in magazines.

Thanks metau. I actually ment to type southwest. I just happen to be going through some old papers over the weekend and found my AZ Hunter Ed card. I'll checkout those sites.