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Accused is key word here. They kill people over accusations all the time, over things that if we're true, wouldn't be punished by death in a democratic society any how. It's unbelievable how locked down and isolated that country is. YouTube North Korea and see some scary stuff. And it too is a socialist government that is there too " take care of the people for there own good."

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SPF: Glock 21SF(45 auto) with night sights and picatinny rail. 2- 13 round mags. Very little use. $500

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4-boxes of Federal Gold Medal Match 308 ammo. 168 grain Sierra Matchking BTHP. $20 per box

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Western Auto and YellowFront! Lots of childhood memories from those 2 places. I believe shotgun ammo is the trickiest if plastic hulls. But if they dont seem to be brittle or swollen it should be ok. I once watched a guy shoot some old shotgun ammo that he shouldnt have. Let just say that the fireball went everywhere but out the end of the barrel. He was ok though by the way.

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Alot of that is true but a society cant function entirely without a government. Private sector also has alot of corruption and bogus dealings. Theres a balance between both and what roles they play. Government in limited amounts and entirely accountable to the people is how it should be, supposed to be.

I hate to see it go this route but the American people voted for these idiots, and there going to have to suffer through what they voted for to realize what they have caused. Its just to bad the rest of us have to be right besides them as it happens. I myself am already feeling it working for IOUs. In a year from now, when Obamacare is a disaster, the Democrats will have to own it, but right now the only thing happening is the Republicans are taking the full brunt of the shutdown and handing the left a silver platter by not allowing it to go into effect. This is Obamas signature item and legacy. Hes not going to cave on this, so make him eat every bit of it and conservatives can sweep the elections next year when its a mess. Until then, we are stuck with this like it or not. Self destruct isnt a way of leadership for either side. Dont think cause you are private sector that this wont catch up with you eventually. Its gonna screw us all.

It's around 2004 or 2005. Not the newer heavier barrel

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This exactly! Read about people who have been in choatic situations(hurricanes, civil war in foreign countries, etc) and they all say that those who band together as a community do the best. Besides, the more who prep, the less looting and shooting will have to take place IMO.

This site has interesting reads, not sure if true but interesting to read either way. http://shtfschool.com/

Thats what you think. One paranoid fool with a gun can end that real quick and all the guns and ammo in the world wont bring you back. Last resort, yeah I think most people will do what they have too, even rob, but too not prepare and just think you are gonna take the easy way out and rob people from the get go is just foolish and wrong. Too many people think they will be Rambo running around the streets being some tactical guru shooting and taking as they please. It'll be far from that. Theres an article from a Serbian on the net somewhere that talked about his whole SHTF living when that area was going to heck in the 90s and how people lived and what did and didnt work. You wouldnt make it very long at all based on the events thereand how it unfolded. I'll find the link and post it.

That's the same thinking as welfare leeches. Why work or prepare when you can just steal from those who do. What makes you think you'll get what they have anyhow?

Yes that is true but putting weak candidates up for office we all knew wouldn't win is the GOPs fault. Justice Roberts was appointed by a Republican and look what that got us. So yes the Republican Party still has alot of itself to blame.

Your last part made me think of an various articles I've read that all say when things are gonna get bad, they will deny it the most and say more and more that there is nothing to worry about. Kinda creepy.

No the United States is becoming the laughing stock of the world. And both sides are to blame! I don't know if the Republicans strategy of defunding Obamacare will or would work, however the people being sent home or getting IOUs on there paycheck, aren't the fat the government needs to trim. You think Park Rangers, etc, or better yet, staff that man our federal prisons should take the same attitude and say shut it down, open the gates and let it all go just to see the shutdown? A shutdown people think will correct an issue that is far more complex. A lot of people on here use a broad brush to paint all federal employees as deserving of losing a job. I don't understand that way of thinking. You think we can function without a government? We need an efficient, effective government not one that runs our lives. Change it, but shutting it down isn't going to get rid of Obamacare. Maybe the Republicans will get a clue and spine next time and not sell us down the road, and we wouldn't all be in thins predicament to begin with. I'm a conservative that blame us conservatives for not doing enough to stop it, I expect the idiots(liberals)to be idiots.

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It's too early to tell anything yet, besides "essential" jobs are working for IOU's right now. If this goes on for along time, things will change. Unfortunetly entitlements as always are not on the cutting board so it will hurt more than help. Not right we can't enjoy our national parks and such, us taxpayers work to fund. This whole thing could've been avoided along time ago, both sides are to blame. Liberal craziness and weak conservatism.

Sloppy/ weird game ASU should of won easier but the last part of the game was terrible. Those refs screwed Wisconsin big time by not setting the ball, letting the ASU player lay on the ground with it(delay of game penalty) and then not letting them take the snap. Thought the Wisconsin QB was going to attack one of the refs. Crazy finish