BeardownAZ

I'm gonna assume part of this is directed at me considering I'm the only one in this post that mentions anything about college. I'm gonna also assume you stopped reading after I mentioned I'm in college so it's hard to scout with lack of time and money and I didn't say that I "can't come up with a day or two on a weekend to scout" I actually said I ask for a little help so when I do find that weekend or two to scout its worth while. Perhaps he'd like it even more if Game and Fish enacted a policy stating you may not get drawn for a unit you live more than 75 miles from that way we wont have a bunch of people roaming all over the unit trying to learn it or god forbid, ask someone for info on it that's hunted it before. It's not hard, If you don't want to give advise don't. If you don't want people knowing what and where you hunt and how, keep off public websites advertising your stories and kills. If I know an area and someone else wants help, I give it. I don't learn an area for them, but if I gain knowledge and can help some else, what's the big deal. I wouldn't give a trophy location away and wouldn't expect anyone else to either. Either way, the person hunting and asking for help still has to get out there and hunt, do the work and there are still no guarantees even if I gave every intimate detail about the unit, that they'd be successful.

The fact they were in it playing like they did, was a miracle. USC was definitely bigger and more physical but not overly impressive, except there running back. Recoup, come back and beat Washington State.

Maybe when I'm older and breaking down, I'd hire a guide. But right now I'm young enough to do it myself. No reason not too. If work or life has me strapped for time, and no scouting time, I guess I'll just hope for some luck. There are worse things then not tagging out.

This is just a straight honest question. Why do people use guides? And this applies to any and all types of hunts, both trophy(whatever that is) and regular hunts, any animal. Is success that important to have someone else make sure you find a animal of certain criteria in order to be happy, or what, what is it?? If Im an out of stater and know nothing about an area, that makes sense, But what about AZ residents who use them for AZ hunts? Im sure Ill get flamed big time on this but its not a bash on either guides or the ones who hire them. Really its not. Im just curious. If someone offers me $5000 or more to point them to an animal and have them shoot it, of course id take it!! I understand that part but my question is more for those who hire them. If your from Az and you draw a tag, cant you go spend that same amount of money on optics and gas scouting said area and be successful on your own? Or is there something different in a hunt with hiring a guide? Again, not a dig just a curious question. I have eaten tag soup before and its not fun but its not everything either nor did it make my hunt less memorable or fun. I hear some much talk on here about needing to be succesful as its once in alifetime, this and that. Is that what drives one to hire a guide? I know to each there own, just was wondering for those who use them, have used them, why?

I gather 3 things from the opinions on here. One, some people want more than anything just to be able to fill there tag regardless if its them doing the work or someone else. Two, some people want the experiance of the guide to learn off of and pay the money for a "apprenticeship" kinda learning. Three, Some places require it to hunt there. I like the idea of number 2 the best. Learning is something that pays back for years to come. Number three is a requirement in some instances so no opinion on that. I guess I see experiance coming from participation not hiring someone to do it. You cant buy real world experiance. It has to be lived. A guide has that experiance from going out, scouting, hunting. I like the idea of the scout for you thing I seen awhile back. Cheaper, and gives you a starting point that still requires you to do the work and ability to practice your hunting skills while not having to be gone every weekend if work or home life is a little too busy to get out. Utlimately I will always be a DIY as thats where I get my satisfaction from. Unless I go to to Alaska, or Africa(after the Ebola apocalypse).

This is exactly me. The reward comes from me doing the work and then getting the animal. Someone else doing everything for me, then me walking up and just shooting it, does not appeal to me in the least. I hunt cause I like to hunt. Not just kill. But if someone is so inclined to do so, thats ok. Just not my cup of tea.

No judgement here, just asking why people use them. I highly doubt I will ever use one. I feel the same way mattys281 feels. For me to spend that coin on one hunt, I cant justify it. But thats me. Not saying that for eveyone else. The other side of it is, I know alot of people who do judge those who dont kill only trophys or spend the money on guides and such. I agree, if someone wants to spend the money, have it. Its your money, your right. I spend alot on things others wouldnt so again, to each there own.

They dont seem to know, or be telling us the truth. Not sure which. But how you contract it seems to change daily. I dont trust our government one bit, especially this bunch but not sure how serious this is or isnt either. Telling us that stopping travel in or out of infected countries won't help, but could be worse! Really??? So whay quarantine anyone to a house then either. Absolutley nuts!!

If the SEC beats each other up, its cause there a really good strong conference, but if the Pac-12 does it, its cause there weak. The fact that Oregon beat Michigan State and has the same record now yet ranked ahead of them proves the bias. Its obvious. No I dont think the Cats can go undefeated but the conference talent wise is alot more level throughout, minus Colorado, then its ever been. Even Washington State has come along way. Hard to tell who really is good and who is not right now.

Might wanna put this in the classifieds section of this forum

Never understand why people want to camp, hunt, fish etc, right on top of each other when there are thousands of other places to go. Glad you got you one! What's the story on the house cat though? Found that funny

Kaibabs are nice but I'm one of the ones that they don't fit my eyes/face very good. Anyone know if Sportsmans in Tucson or Phx have any Monarch 5s on to try?? And......Beardown Arizona

Anybody tried these? They have 16s and 20s. Just curious if they are worth the coin for there price. I usually like Nikons optics considering there price range

Beardown!!

Perhaps the Smith and Wesson bodyguard might be better. Never tried so not sure. A lot of people scoff at the 380 and while not ideal, it's a whole lot better then nothing. Especially considering how concealable it is. Buffalo Bore makes some stout hardcast lead loads for it that make it punch a lot harder.

This is funny. Unit 1 is not managed for a trophy unit. Its a product of the fire. 300 archery bull tags and a cow hunt going on the same time. Its a joke. Sure there are some giants but gnf shouldn't take credit for managing it that way. Maybe we should thank the USFS for torching the unit. Just give it a few more years. It'll be what 3a 3c now is. Because they managed it for trophy bulls about 10 yrs ago too. 27 is that way as well. They are stacking hunt on top of hunt. Went to setup camp for my dads early rifle bull hunt and people were every where. The 2 archery hunts(bull and cow)were still going on. The elk were pushed back in after 2 weeks of constant pressure. It wasn't how I imagined the early hunts would be like.

I assume 27 or 1? I ll be up there this week. Creepy. What HK.. USP 45???

Wow! What a finish. Dam Direct Tv, no having the PAC 12 network

I hope this is true! Be headed to 27 for my dad's rifle hunt next Wednesday.

Wouldn't live that far East for anything, done it once. Never again. Too many people, not enough public land. Love it out West!

Gotta think, he may have no idea what spooked him as long as you didnt chase him and push him. Trees drop limbs, boulders and rocks come loose and roll and I m sure they all spook at those and then go right back to business not ever knowing what it was. I bet he stays in the vicinity.

No kidding. Especially when they arent as hard on there own staff for violating rules. Hypocrisy runs deep.

Did he spook out of the country or can you get back on him??

I've been thinking for sometime about trying something new or different as far as type of rifle I use to hunt. I recently got a M1A and am seriously thinking of using it, open sights, for my deer hunt this year or next. Any of you ever try something other then bolt action, scoped rifles for hunting ie a m1garand, lever action in something other than 30-30, pistol caliber carbine?? Interested to see the replies. Thanks

Got a 1903A3 also. Might need to dig that out to. It's killed deer since the 60s when it was bought, unissued, for like $15!