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There are lurkers here. Trust me. And their buddies too. And I ain't ever gonna be friends with em. The grizzly deal is even stupider than the wolf deal. They are extinct. They dont even have any crossbred ones. They wanna take tundra grizz that live way north and have unlimited resources and put em here where there ain't that much and everything is all criss crossed with roads and stuff. Stupid. Just stupid. Anyway, I digress. If you drive 35 miles north of morenci on 191 and take pine flat road til it dead ends you come to a place called the Mallet ranch. Ground zero for this wolf/dog fiasco. I own it. It's my home. There have been wolves in my front yard. How many of you can say that? Awhile back, the tracks of four were in the snow. Four that the usfw days dont exist. Dunno how they figger, but they're all liars, so it doesn't matter. Our place is the closest privately owned building, about 5 miles, give or take, as the wolf/dog wanders, from engineer spring. If you don't know where that is or what it means, then shut up. There hasn't been one word that has been made available to the public to about this matter that I haven't been privy to. Don't try to bs me about it. I've witnessed first hand the deceit that is involved in this POS. I have a little different take on all this. Ask yourself a question. These are supposed to be MEXICAN wolves. There were never more than transients in the area they are released now. So why did they release them where they did instead of in SE Az and SW new Mex? Ponder on that. Here's the answer. Private land. SE Az and SW new Mex are covered with vast areas of private land. So much that the Feds wouldn't have enough control. So why is that important? Couple reasons. 1- with all the private land folks could cap these wolf/dogs pretty much at will for killing their stock. And 2- this is the interesting one, the feds can't force their will on folks because there is so much private land that they can't control. So they put em up along the Mogollon, in an area of little private land and lots of federal land. Where they can run rough shod over things. And get established. My uncle killed more wolves than any one man. Hundreds. He's still a legend with the gov't trappers. Very few were north of where I-10 is now. Doesn't it seem logical to put em where they were? There are some huge wild areas in the sky islands. Why not there? The wolf/dog is just the tool they are using to put folks off the land. Everyone. Cowboys, hunters, anglers, campers, offroaders, etc. So, this what happened at the Honda mtg the other day. Everything you are used to on public land got shot right between the eyes. This has been going on for 20 years. In the next 20 everything that has anything to do with outdoors in Az is going to change so much it is sad. It will be worse than if it was private land, because it will be managed by the Feds. Also, unless I've read it wrong, this new part of the fiasco doesn't apply to the land south of I-40 in new Mex. Why? Private land. You just got to witness the beginning of the death of joint use in Az. Call me wrong. I don't care. But look back on September 4, 2034 and see if I'm wrong. It's about control. It ain't about these currs. So what are you gonna do about it? I don't know. And I'm a genius. It has me perplexed. I plan on living my days out in the mountains and hope I get to. I hope you good guys do too. Lark

Well, I, for one, hate it. And anyone that's for it. Can I say that? Oh well. I did. Can't take it back. The wolf/dogs are just a pawn in a big plan to herd everbuddy into town. Lark.

You tell em killer. You just made my day. It's ok to cuss every religion except the one that wants kill everbuddy. Even tho it is probably the most important, pertinent, dangerous and talked about subject on the planet. Lark.

If there is one deserving place to donate, it is the Phoenix Children's Hospital. I've spent the better part of a year there on an almost daily basis with our granddaughter. The folks there are truly amazing people and their dedication is without question. If you ever wonder where you might donate your time or treasure, think of PCH. Don't take my word for it. Go wander around on the different floors and look at the challenges these kids face and then put your kids in their place. I watched a dr massage a little girl's heart for over an hour until they could kick start it again. It was such an emergency they couldn't get her to the OR and had to do it in her room behind big glass windows for all to see. They brought Lark back from being flatlined time and again and now she is as happy and healthy as any other 4 year old and has a wonderful future ahead of her. It wouldn't be that way without PCH. The dr who saved the girl with the open chest heart massage was named Pearl. The little girl was adopted from china by an amazing couple. Her new American name is now Pearl. This is a truly wonderful organization staffed with some of the very best people I've ever met. Lark.

Green people!?!? That's profiling lance. I'm offended. I demand this thread be shut down. My people are green. Lark.

One thing about it, now the fence riders and rancher cussers that dont know much of anything about this farce get to see what those of us that live in the middle of it have had to deal with for the last 20 years. Believe me, ANYBODY involved in this is not your friend. So don't be friendly to em. And there are lurkers here that are the enemy. You can all say SSS all you want. That won't fix the problem. The mongrel curr dogs aren't the problem. The problem is people. And any person involved in this is a liar at best. They fabricate data, hide negative info, cover up anything that shows the truth, and help further something that has been a lie since it's inception. Hide and watch. Anything outdoors in Az has just been permanently changed. Negatively. Have fun in Prescott, flagstaff, kingman, Tucson, Sierra vista, etc. The usfw is on the way to destroy your ability to enjoy the woods. Lark.

Your tax dollars at work. They had this meeting just to tell everyone FU. We do what we want and you can't do anything about it. If you know anyone in favor of this program you oughta bust em in the mouth every time you see em. If our wonderful azgfd woulda shown some backbone from the beginning it would help their image. Get ready Az. Now you all get to see what the folks who live in the original area have been putting up with for 20 years. Lark.

His name is James Michael Rogers. Prosecuted in 2000. Got 4 months in the joint. Paid a big fine. Not sure how long he served but his sentence was 4 months. You can google it. I did. Lark.

You need to check again flatlander. A kid from nutrioso went to prison for shooting one. It's a pretty sad story too. Family member finked him out for the bounty. Lark

Oh man, I still got it! I think I'm gonna tear up. This reminds me of when santa clause slugged me at jc penneys. One word of advice. Don't kick squirrels in the dark. Now where's the dam tomato juice.

Have you ever laughed in your life? If this story and the fact that a few folks found humor in it gets to you I don't know what to tell ya, other than it must be real hard to walk. I'm gonna go kick some squirrells now. Lark.

Grow some bark ya big sissy. A half nekked frog kicked a squirrel into the grand canyon. Probly on his way to burning man. The act might even be a felony. It's one of the most courageous things a frog has done since the French resistance in WWII. And peta wants to pay somebody $15k to fink him out. This thing oozed irony and some folks find a little humor in it and now we gotta buncha supposed Americans offended because somebody laughed? Goodnight! I'll lay 10 to 1 it didn't even hurt the squirrel. I play worse tricks than that on my dog 5 times a day. He hates me sure, but it's still funny.

Be careful oneshot. Don't wanna offend those born without a sense o' humor.

How do ya know the squirrel was even injured? I've seen em fall from some big @$$ trees and scurry away. I bet it wasn't even offended. Well, he mighta been offended by the smell o' that frog. Wooo, them folks gets rank sometime. I'm bettin' the squirrel is back beggin' crumbs right now. Some folks really need to grow a little bark. PETA says they'll pony up $15k. The paper said the fine can only be up to $5k. He oughta fink on hisself and pocket $10 k. In fact, anybody got a video camera wanna meet me there tomorrow and film me kickin' one? I'll split it with ya. For a $10k profit I'd kick smoky off the ledge.

Mexican wolf? Aint that the wolf that is actually extinct but they found some part dog curs and bred up a buncha bastard pups and gave em to some hippies to try to teach em to act like a wild animals and then they decided to try and hide the fact they were part dog and then turned em lose and then they got parvovirus because they are all of dubious breeding and theyve had about 20 years to get some to act like a wild animals but can't seem to get em to act right because they are all really part dog and now they want even more money,land, control, etc so they can keep trying to perpetuate a lie in order keep more and more folks from being able to ise and enjoy the land? Is that what we are talkin' about? If it is then I'm not for it. Lark.

Good job Joe. Doubt he'll get it tho. I'm thinkin' dustbin is rollin' out his rug right now for noon prayers. Funny how everything he accused me of being favor of is also a real good description of islam. islam is born in violence and murder and it has done nothing good since muhamed dreamed it up. Every day it gets worse. The atrocities get worse, the violence gets worse, the murders get even grislier. Only way to get rid of the violence is to get rid of islam. It is nothing but evil. Lark.

You forgot Nazi. When you're gonna argue with someone that knows a little and you don't, the first thing you hafta do is call em a nazi. Even if it has nothin' to do with anything, you hafta call em a nazi. Then you automatically win. So hurry up. Call me a nazi. So this morning in the news, an American 4 star general was murdered, by a muslim, then you got hamas in gaza. muslims. Then there's the isis deal. muslims killin' muslims. al quida blowin' stuff up here and there. muslims. Bomb scare on a plane. Called in by muslims. Iran building a nuke. Cant wait for that story to play out. Not one story about muslims doing one good thing. Everywhere they get rooted in turns into a pool of blood. Violence is there goal. It's their religion. I don't understand how anyone can be like you. If you are truly sympathetic to what you say is the good 99% then you would be appalled at how they are victimized by their own kind. Not defending a "religion" that is based on murdering anyone that disagrees with you. Who do think supports the 1%? The 99%! Some day in the not to distant future, everyone that is able will have to take up arms. One side will be the muslims. The other side will be everyone else. What side you gonna be on? Have a nice day Irving. Lark.

Oh well,that's your opinion. In my opinion I am a genius. Maybe not a genius, but dam sure capable of reading, understanding what i read and then making informed decisions with that info. No, more I think about it, I'm a genius. That's the ticket. And you clearly ain't. You're a muslim sympathizer and use your 99% theory as a way to say you are defending innocent folks. muslims hate everyone. There is no room for love, forgiveness, sympathy, etc in their crummy little lives. Therefor they don't deserve any of those nice things from anyone else. They kill their kids, their wives, grammas, neighbors, even their dam dogs, for no reason. And they would kill you too. Just cuz. Do everyone a favor, go buy a koran and read it. Hopefully you can understand it. It ain't a big book so don't be scared. Then when you're done, come back and make excuses for em. mohamed was just a trader. A bidness man. All the tribes he wanted to trade with wanted to do was kill each other so he invented islam so they had something to all believe in. It's history. Read it. He put all the killin' junk in his book so the idiots he wanted to trade with would buy into it. There ain't any such thing as a moderate muslim. If there is, eventually they will turn mad dog or be killed by the ones that already are. There's your lesson from a certified genius for the day. Have fun with your reading. Lark.

There is nothin' funnier than watchin' some dummy try to un$h!t his pants. Change your britches and move on dustbin. You don't have a clue what islam is about. Maybe you oughta join the jihad and find out. It's obvious you ain't much of an American. Run along. Lark.

Most folks don't even realize that 3 cowpunchers from the gila valley won the derby and the Preakness in the 50's and 60's. Rex and Heber ellsworth and mesh tenney. Swaps won the derby and candy spots won the Preakness. They run into hard times a few years later, but they had some good horses for awhile. Hebers wife, Lavinda, was my 3rd grade teacher. Lark.

Oh no, did poor widdow tony get his widdow feewings hurt? I'm so sorry. If there are gonna be rules about name calling then tony would be a good guy to start with the new policy with. Go back and look at all the crap he has said to anyone that ever disagreed with him. Smarmy little back shooter comments to anyone who doubts his superior opinion. And if you are ever critical of the azgfd he really gets defensive. Wonder why that is? Hmmmmm? Big deal. Life is hard, it's a lot harder if you're stupid. And harder yet if you wanna live your life bashing folks with your keyboard and then get offended when somebody shoots back. Grow a backbone. Like I always say, opinions are like buttholes, everybody has one and everbody thinks there's is the only one that doesn't stink. Few people have the same opinion about anything. It's called freedom. Lark.

So do the guys hafta make an edible cake or can they make one outta pig$h!t and put frosting on it?

The 4 drag house is immediately north of honeymoon. When you leave honeymoon, you are on the 4 drag. You actually go onto the 4 drag ranch down by the Filleman crossing, but the private land starts at honeymoon. 1/2 mile west of honeymoon is the Rez. If you take 191 north from morenci for about 24 miles you come to the upper eagle creek road. Take it about another 22 miles and you come to the 4 drag gate. The road on to prowler pass, sawmill cabin and Saunders cabin is closed from feb 1 to I think June 1. When the gate ain't locked the road is usually so bad you can hardly get up it anyway.

6-20-1928---4-18-2014. Home is the soldier, Home from the battle. Home is the cowboy, Home from the saddle. Home is the farmer, Home from the field. And the hunter, home from the hill. You go on up ahead a ways dad, I'll catch up soon. Build a fire so I can find you.

I was putting a battery in my backhoe and got an email telling me to look at this thread because phony tony was at it again and have everbuddy mad at each other. I'm sure I'll be banned for life after this but hopefully a few folks will get to read it before it gets nuked. I gave up on this site a long time ago because it became painfully apparent there were a lotta fence riders and out and out liars on the big tag grab legislation that was dangerously close to passing. That and being censored by one of the guys leading the charge was more than I wanted to deal with. So here we go. And I don't care anything about drones. Big f'in deal. When are you guys gonna figger out who the h e l l phony tony is? He's the official water packer for the azgfd. Plain and simple. He ain't a hunter. If he was he wouldn't have to have a buncha guides to get him on a sheep that wouldn't have been legal a few years ago when there was a 3/4 curl minimum. He's never shot anything that somebody didn't pack his lame butt to. He starts this crap and then retreats to his own little world thinking how cute and smart he is. Like the old saying, those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. In chiclet tooth tonys case it's, those who can hunt do, those who can't, like phony tony, write lame stories. Or sit around and try to get other folks to fight with each other. The guy does whatever the azgfd tells him to do. Look at the hack job he pulled on lance awhile back. What a punk. The guy has never had a relevant thought of his own. He's the king of cut and paste. When I did a point by point counter on the bogus lead poisoning of the condors he accused me of being a drunk and getting a 10 year old to write for me. Now he's got all you guys fighting with each other over something that doesn't matter. All because his handlers sic'd him on it. Phony tony is a joke. You guys take a long look at his record. Cut and paste. That's all he can do. I'll bet he calls AAA when he gets a flat on his minivan. If ya blind folded the moron and spun him around 3 times in an empty parking lot he'd hafta cal 911 to get rescued. Anyone on this site has done more and has more experience than this phony. Look at things for what they are. And anything this loser writes is pure bs. He says and does whatever the azgfd tells him, when they tell him. Don't let one con artist get you to fight with each other. I'm sure I'll never be allowed here again, but oh well. I have a lot o' work to do on the new Rancho Neglecto and still spend a lotta time building and repairing giant projects that are putting thousands of folks to work. So it ain't like I'm bored. Good luck and hunt hard. Do things that are good for the outdoors and don't listen to phony tonys. Lark