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    Lion Stalking deer

    i dunno if the pictures are real or not. don't even care. but there is some real wild opinions on how lions hunt on the jesse deal. one thing i've learned over the years is that there ain't no tellin' what a lion will do. there's definitely something bogus with at least one photo tho, because one of em shows a doe and one shows a cow elk. Lark.
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    Spring regs

    breeze, maybe it's because you guys are gettin' too good at gettin' them bears. poor bears. next year you'll have to hunt with one arm tied behind your back and with a bow. hahaha. unless you're a nonresident, i think the nonresident, uso guided season is gonna be longer. hope ya know i'm bein' fecescious, and the root word of fecescious is feces, so figger it out. seems like every year they hafta change something to lessen the hunters odds. the deal with the "summer" turkey hunt burns me. used to be the spring turkey hunt started the first weekend in april and lasted nearly the whole month. what a great time to be in the woods. then the forest circus complained that turkey hunters were tearing up muddy roads and the azgfd moved the season back a month. the turkeys didn't comply. they're still done struttin' by the time the season starts. now it's shotgun only, which is ok because a guy oughta call em that time o' year anyway. but the reason it's shotgun only is to even lessen the hunters odds because the turkey population keeps going down. but the reason the turkey herd is shrinkin' is because there are too dang many varmints. 'specially coyotes. they just tear them little pullets up, and the coati mundis are moving into the high country and getting the eggs outta the nests before they even get a chance to hatch. dang, what a deal. Lark.
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    Bradshaw Coues?

    quimby, how far south do whitetail go? all the way to cape horn? i'd never given much thought south american deer. but all the sudden i'm sorta interested. how far south do muleys go? i've never heard of them being farther down than west-central mexico. is there another subspecies of muley, i wonder? sorta like the blacktail and sitka, maybe? i watched a deal on PBS awhile back about the "Sky Islands" of southern Az. and northern mexico. it explained a lot about why things are the way they are. real interesting stuff about how different mt. ranges in the southwest have slightly different wildlife, especially ampibians, fish, rodents, and birds with only short flight capability. i've always felt that the different ranges had sorta their own unique breed of coues, and the tv show explained why maybe that is right. i'm thinking maybe the bradshaws are about the furthest east that coues go, for whatever reason, and they are always gonna be in short supply, just because. Lark.
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    Bradshaw Coues?

    quimby, how far south do whitetail go? all the way to cape horn? i'd never given much thought south american deer. but all the sudden i'm sorta interested. how far south do muleys go? i've never heard of them being farther down than west-central mexico. is there another subspecies of muley, i wonder? sorta like the blacktail and sitka, maybe? i watched a deal on PBS awhile back about the "Sky Islands" of southern Az. and northern mexico. it explained a lot about why things are the way they are. real interesting stuff about how different mt. ranges in the southwest have slightly different wildlife, especially ampibians, fish, rodents, and birds with only short flight capability. i've always felt that the different ranges had sorta their own unique breed of coues, and the tv show explained why maybe that is right. i'm thinking maybe the bradshaws are about the furthest east that coues go, for whatever reason, and they are always gonna be in short supply, just because. Lark.
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    Bradshaw Coues?

    quimby, how far south do whitetail go? all the way to cape horn? i'd never given much thought south american deer. but all the sudden i'm sorta interested. how far south do muleys go? i've never heard of them being farther down than west-central mexico. is there another subspecies of muley, i wonder? sorta like the blacktail and sitka, maybe? i watched a deal on PBS awhile back about the "Sky Islands" of southern Az. and northern mexico. it explained a lot about why things are the way they are. real interesting stuff about how different mt. ranges in the southwest have slightly different wildlife, especially ampibians, fish, rodents, and birds with only short flight capability. i've always felt that the different ranges had sorta their own unique breed of coues, and the tv show explained why maybe that is right. i'm thinking maybe the bradshaws are about the furthest east that coues go, for whatever reason, and they are always gonna be in short supply, just because. Lark.
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    Bradshaw Coues?

    quimby, how far south do whitetail go? all the way to cape horn? i'd never given much thought south american deer. but all the sudden i'm sorta interested. how far south do muleys go? i've never heard of them being farther down than west-central mexico. is there another subspecies of muley, i wonder? sorta like the blacktail and sitka, maybe? i watched a deal on PBS awhile back about the "Sky Islands" of southern Az. and northern mexico. it explained a lot about why things are the way they are. real interesting stuff about how different mt. ranges in the southwest have slightly different wildlife, especially ampibians, fish, rodents, and birds with only short flight capability. i've always felt that the different ranges had sorta their own unique breed of coues, and the tv show explained why maybe that is right. i'm thinking maybe the bradshaws are about the furthest east that coues go, for whatever reason, and they are always gonna be in short supply, just because. Lark.
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    Bradshaw Coues?

    quimby, how far south do whitetail go? all the way to cape horn? i'd never given much thought south american deer. but all the sudden i'm sorta interested. how far south do muleys go? i've never heard of them being farther down than west-central mexico. is there another subspecies of muley, i wonder? sorta like the blacktail and sitka, maybe? i watched a deal on PBS awhile back about the "Sky Islands" of southern Az. and northern mexico. it explained a lot about why things are the way they are. real interesting stuff about how different mt. ranges in the southwest have slightly different wildlife, especially ampibians, fish, rodents, and birds with only short flight capability. i've always felt that the different ranges had sorta their own unique breed of coues, and the tv show explained why maybe that is right. i'm thinking maybe the bradshaws are about the furthest east that coues go, for whatever reason, and they are always gonna be in short supply, just because. Lark.
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    Bradshaw Coues?

    quimby, how far south do whitetail go? all the way to cape horn? i'd never given much thought south american deer. but all the sudden i'm sorta interested. how far south do muleys go? i've never heard of them being farther down than west-central mexico. is there another subspecies of muley, i wonder? sorta like the blacktail and sitka, maybe? i watched a deal on PBS awhile back about the "Sky Islands" of southern Az. and northern mexico. it explained a lot about why things are the way they are. real interesting stuff about how different mt. ranges in the southwest have slightly different wildlife, especially ampibians, fish, rodents, and birds with only short flight capability. i've always felt that the different ranges had sorta their own unique breed of coues, and the tv show explained why maybe that is right. i'm thinking maybe the bradshaws are about the furthest east that coues go, for whatever reason, and they are always gonna be in short supply, just because. Lark.
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    Bradshaw Coues?

    quimby, how far south do whitetail go? all the way to cape horn? i'd never given much thought south american deer. but all the sudden i'm sorta interested. how far south do muleys go? i've never heard of them being farther down than west-central mexico. is there another subspecies of muley, i wonder? sorta like the blacktail and sitka, maybe? i watched a deal on PBS awhile back about the "Sky Islands" of southern Az. and northern mexico. it explained a lot about why things are the way they are. real interesting stuff about how different mt. ranges in the southwest have slightly different wildlife, especially ampibians, fish, rodents, and birds with only short flight capability. i've always felt that the different ranges had sorta their own unique breed of coues, and the tv show explained why maybe that is right. i'm thinking maybe the bradshaws are about the furthest east that coues go, for whatever reason, and they are always gonna be in short supply, just because. Lark.
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    found bear

    a bear with a bow is sorta tricky anyway. they are usually so fat that there isn't much blood to track em by. the fat plugs up the wound. a gutshot would present even less blood. only bear i ever shot with a bow was quite close and it stuck the heck out of him. lost the blood trail after about 20 or so yards but the guy i was with could hear it croakin' up the hill and we found it real quick. only went about 80-100 yds and died, but if he hadn't heard it, it would've' taken awhile to find it. too bad it got away from em, but it's too common with bears and bows. poor ol' bears really suffer too. too bad. Lark.
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    Trouble and Danger in UNIT 34A

    we can all caution each other to not prejudge or jump to conclusions when there is no proof or even rumors about who shot the guy. but the fact that this post went the direction it did says a lot about what's going on in southern Az., and says a lot about how folks feel about it. it's supposed to be America, but it's more like a Mexican territory right now. like it or not, the illegals pretty much control southern Az. the BP does what they can, i guess. the whole thing is just a real sad situation. Lark.
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    American Hunter/USO/Taulman

    what is American hunter? a magazine? i never read magazines anymore, but screw em anyway. who wrote it, griz? wait, he can't write, what was i thinkin' about? Lark.
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    Record Book Withdrawals

    the guy who at the time was the final word in c-14 said it was definitely killed in the 70's and definitely not in the 40's. argue with him all ya want. he knows more than anyone here. so i believe him. and i believe Duard Sanford. and i believe the photos that Kirt has. and i absolutely refuse to believe anything started by a sick, perverted, child molester. Lark.
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    Record Book Withdrawals

    you're sorta right about carbon 14, about ancient things. since WWII and the A-bomb and all of the atomic tests that have been performed, the atmosphere has a very measurable amount of radiation from year to year and anything exposed to the atmosphere, like an antler, can be dated very accurately. a body organ or flesh or an internal bone, may not be dated very well, because it isn't directly exposed to the atmospere. an antler is pretty unique here, because it is a living, growing part of an animal that is exposed to the air. the guy that dated Kirt's buck is from the U of A and is highly regarded as one of the best at the business. some guys from some mule deer club or some deal in utah took the rack to him, not Kirt. the scientist drilled some small holes in it near the base of each antler, and used the dust from the holes for the sample. he picked the spots. Kirt wasn't even in the state. as i recall, he (the scientist) said he felt the animal was from either a year before or a year after Kirt said he shot it. but he said there is no way in heck that the buck came from the 40's, as you're claiming. there were a bunch of charts associated with the test that showed the carbon 14 concentrations for all the years since i think '45. again, the guy who is supposed to be that last word in carbon 14 said that buck absolutely did not come from then. he didn't really want to do the test because he is a scientist and didn't want to get caught up in some deal that didn't have anything to do with science. Kirt fretted for a long time before he let em take it, because he really figured he'd never get it back. say what ya want, science is science. what about the photos he has of the deer? Kirt is poor, remember. he wouldn't be able to pay anybody to dummy up the photos. besides, they didn't have computers and photo editors in the 70's. and Kirt's rack has never been repaired either. i guess maybe Duard Sanford was lyin' to me, too. he didn't have one nice thing to say about Kirt and was convinced that Kirt's deer used to be his. i asked him what he would say if Kirt's buck hadn't ever been repaired and he said if that was the case, then they weren't the same buck. and when a guy has shot as many big bucks as Darner has, bigger bucks than this, why would he risk so much on a fraud like that? oh yeah, chd says it's because he was poor. what a reason. "Kirt's poor so he lied about this big ol' buck". wow, that makes a lot o' sense. believe what ya wanna believe. i don't care. but don't try and say i'm less than intelligent for my views. i've weighed the available evidence and in my opinion, the scale tips Kirt's way real heavy. believe a controversy started by a child molester and propagated by some rich boys that had warned Kirt about trying to develop a scoring system different from theirs or believe a guy that has a ton of evidence contrary to theirs, that supports him. go figure. Lark.
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    Record Book Withdrawals

    3 things dummy, photos of the deer with the antlers attached to the skull and the skull attached to the front quarters. carbon 14- the most definitive dating method on earth. done by an independent 3rd party. by a guy that is the best on earth at it. it's science. it's truth. why would he ever let it be dated, if he didn't know he was right? i know you can't accept it, but that's just the way it is. and Duard Sanford told me, to my face, that the buck in question had a broken skull plate. smashed into pieces. described how it happened and where it happened. had to be repaired with fiberglass. Kirt's isn't. guess when it was growing wider and growing more points over those 30 years, it healed itself. yeah, that's the ticket. and why, when he's killed several bucks considerably larger, would he choose that one for the cover of his first book? oh yeah, remember his old remington add with the bucks on the barn? that buck was in that photo. and the other one hadn't been stolen yet. 'splain that. go ahead and believe what ya want. like i said, i proved to myself, for myself, that his buck isn't the one in the old magazine. there are some spooky similarities, but i've seen other racks that were just as similar to each other. on top off all that, that stinkin' babyraper pervert was the guy that started all the crap in the first place. yeah, he's a real good source of info. i know i'm in the minority it what i think. don't really care. because i know i'm right. lay it all out and look at it. who would win in court? think you could beat carbon 14? Lark.
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    Trouble and Danger in UNIT 34A

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/083...rkilled-ON.html this is the latest thing i've seen on it. has his name and stuff in the article. said he was camped 12 miles east of sahuarita. some place called hellevitia? never heard of it. says he died of mulitple gushot wounds and it was a homicide. rough deal. sleep with one eye open and a loaded shotgun nearby, i guess. and go with others. ya know, this is BS me even making those recommendations, too. a guy oughta be able to feel safe. what a load o' crap. i've always sorta been on the side of folks coming up here to work. but if it turns out that some south of the border person had something to do with this, i think it'll be time a for a change of mind. time to close the border tight and get tough on "EVERYONE" crossing illegally. maybe we're all jumping to conclusions, but it's sorta expected, seeing what's going on in SE AZ., these days. Lark.
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    Record Book Withdrawals

    i was quite young when the bear deal took place and i just sorta thought "who cares?". i was more interested in hunting. but after seeing some of the stuff they've done with no explanation, it makes me sorta think that for whatever reason they were singling me out for some kind of unwritten punishment. another deal i remember is that the pronghorn that was the world record for years had altered horns. the taxidermist had added a little bit of paper meche' to the bases of the horns so they stuck up a little higher. a real common practice, still. anyway, the buck was killed and mounted before there ever was a record book, so that wasn't why it was done. and with the added horn removed, it would have still been the world record, but they tossed it anyway. it had been recognized as the record for decades. could never figure that one out. whenever i hear of anyone being questioned by the b&c, i always take the position that the b&c is up to no good, again. and i get tired of folks acting like they're some sort of legal authority. if the rule of law was applied, they'd lose a lot. all they have to do is cast a shadow on someone and they're automatically a bad guy. and i can't see why you would take points away for being too big. which is what happens to a lot of racks that aren't real even or don't have a good "typical" score. oh well, 'bout wore this subject out. it's just a real sore spot with me. good luck to all this fall. hunt hard and hunt often. Lark.
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    Record Book Withdrawals

    i never turn down a chance to thumb through one either. i like the pictures. i've only had 2 dealings with b&c. one directly and another sorta indirectly, because i wanted to prove something to myself. both were real negative. i shot a bear in the mid 70's that smashed the world record. had to use a grizzly form on the rug, because nobody made a form big enough. would still be over an inch bigger than even the big pickup in the book. do ya see mine in the book? nope. why, you ask? good question. never got a good answer. only thing i know is that the guy that measured it told me i wasn't a dr. or a senator or some other important person. he later quit being a scorer, in disgust over the incident. i also think i was blackballed by a jealous game warden. but whatever. it's a big ol' blackie and i know i got it in fairchase. didn't even have hounds. the other was the Kirt Darner deal. the more i dug into that, the more it disgusted me. the stories and absolute lies that have been told about the guy over the buck in question are putrid. he has photos of the deer, affidavits from folks that saw the deer and the rack was carbon 14 dated. all backed up him. i mean carbon 14 now. that's a pretty definitive test. but the one that cinched it for me was that the last guy who is listed as the owner of the deer in question is a guy i know well. i talked to him about it. he said that the mount fell off the wall and broke the skull cap and that it had been repaired with fiberglass. Kirt's buck ain't got any repairs. they also tossed out a desert bighorn he got because of a clerical error by the azgfd and a coues deer that they said was a texas whitetail. just to sorta back up their efforts, it looked to me. anyway, it doesn't make a hill o' beans now and Kirt has went on and still contiues to shoot the biggest bucks on the planet. the only thing the B&c had was the word of a convicted child molester and some 40 year old photos that showed the antlers on the wrong side of the head. said the negative got switched. could be. and the score sheets don't even add up. Kirt's is wider and has more scorable points. do ya think his rack coulda grew over the 40 years they said it was since the rack was taken? or is this an admission by b&c that they don't do a real good job in scoring? that's the only way they can use the score sheets for evidence. anyway, the way i look at it is, if there is one little bit of phony info in something, then the whole thing is bogus. b&c books are full of phony crap. stuff with a lot of baggage tied to it. stuff that is flat wrong and fraud and other crap. therefore, in my way o' lookin' at things, the whole book is bogus. but i still like to look at em. and i got no problem with folks that enter stuff in it. it just ain't for me and i don't hold a lot by it and don't believe in b&c or there so called ethics one bit. as far as i'm concerened, their entire little club is phony and bogus and has no merit. rules have to apply to everyone. one of the most magnificent coues bucks i ever saw wouldn't make the book as a typical or non-typical. and it is absolutely huge. a good friend took a typical muley on the kaibab that is just enourmous. for years it didn't make the book because of a 5th point on one side. years later he had it rescored and the point that kept it out of the book was scored as the typical point instead of the nontypical point, as it should have been, and now it's #2 in Az. pretty big switch, to go from not making the book to #2, just because the guy that scored it the first time was a dummy. i know it's their club and they make the rules, but i've seen em hurt some guys with their rules and it's pretty apparent that they've helped some guys too. i just feel folks should hunt for the whole experience and not get hung up so much on records and trophies and put so much empasis and trust in them. Lark.
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    Trouble and Danger in UNIT 34A

    good advice workhorse. tell us about the guy. who was he? if he was hunter he was one of us. dang, a guy should be able to feel safe from other folks when he's in the woods. is there someplace a guy can maybe donate a little to his family? this is really sad. Lark.
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    archery hunter murdered in 34A

    dang, any idea who he was? this is sad. really sad. is there a number or anything where a guy could donate a little to his family? southeast Az. is becoming more and more dangerous. drugs, illegal alien smugglers, etc. as far as the gun deal, you can have a gun in your truck or in your camp. not a thing wrong with it, even if the g&f might frown on it. if you get anymore info, keep us informed. this really makes me feel bad. a guy oughta be able to feel safe from bad people in woods. Lark.
  21. he treestander, did he come in when he heard the corn flinger switch on? just kiddin', good job. i shot a big chocolate boar with a bow while archery elk hunting once. quite a thrill for sure. i bet he was a greasy mess to pack out, in this warm weather. i got a couple horror stories about packin' bears in hot weather. yuk. once again, congratulations. bear with a bow is quite a feat. Lark.
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    Record Book Withdrawals

    wetmule, one of your statements is what erks me about books all together. you said that guys names had been removed for good reasons. that's the thing that i hate. the guys names. that's what the books are all about. if all the record books said, ok, no more hunters names, nobody would enter anything. leave the animal there. it's the one that grew the antlers that are supposedly so revered. but no, when they remove a guys name, they also remove the animal's score. and i still say if b&c had any morals, they'd remove everything that herb klein and a few others have in their book. record books ain't a bad thing. it's good to have a record, i guess. but why can't a guy just admire a buck for what it is. there always has to be a score connected to it, so guys can say their's is bigger. the b&c book is full of bogus stuff. what was the world record typical was shot out of season for meat. the famous plute bull was shot for meat to be sold. but i agree with putting them in the book. the animal didn't do anything wrong. and for the times, neither did the hunter. if it happened now, they'd be crucified. books are ok, there is just too much emphasis by folks to get their name in it. and when a guy does get something extrordinary, they're scrutinized to the point of insanity. there has been so much fraud in the books, that nobody believes anyone. when allen ellsworth had the new world record elk dropped in his lap, he got called thief, liar, etc. by everyone from the azgfd to the tribes. he was eventually able to prove it out, but it was a lot of work. if for some reason i shot a new world record elk or muley, i'd get it scored officially and then sell it to the highest bidder. get rid of the headache right off. take the money and hunt till it was gone. because to me the hunt is what it's all about. being in the country with a tag in my pocket. anymore, i don't really care what i shoot. won't shoot a spike, but if it's got a fork, he might be in trouble. just depends on the situation. deer that is. elk is a different story. hunt as hard as ya can, for the experience of the hunt. watch the bird and chipmunks and pigs and skunks and whatever else a guy might see, and if ya get that chance, shoot a buck too. Lark.
  23. just got through with the new azgfd survey. does anyone know exactly what the commercial tag deal is about? is that a seperate permit? could you apply for a general permit and that permit? does it allow for sale of meat and stuff or what? i voted no, because i felt it needed more explanation. anyway, any word with more than 4 letters is sorta confusing to me, so somebody help me. Lark.
  24. aw man, i hope it ain't as cool as cabelas. i'll go broke for sure. read about it. Lark. http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/l...9basspro19.html
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    commercialization

    good info. thanks for the note. i have a hypothetical question. a guy goes out and kills the new world record typical elk. cabelas or some other outfit offers him a million bucks for it. can he sell it under this proposal? just wonderin'. Lark.
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