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red, thanks for the info on the bonus points. you're right about this becoming a rich man's game. won't be long and permits will all go the highest bidder, it seems. it's real simple why they opted for what they did. it's the easiest. these guys on the commission ain't real smart. they're small time politicians, pure and simple. like to do the LL Bean deal on a trout stream every once in awhile and spend a lotta time at country clubs. only one that is even a zit of a hunter is golightly, and his name pretty much explains how he operates. biggest chicken i've ever seen. the woman that is "madam chairman" (talk about an oxymoron) was lobbied on the board by the cattlemen association. they're all real rich, well connected people that sit on all kindsa boards. that's what they do. they aren't creative. and they have no balls. same goes for shroufe and that joke of an attorney they got from the atty. gen's. office. napalitano ran that place long enough, and then turned it over to the biggest pud this state has ever seen in little terry goddard, that there ain't a backbone left in that office. plain and simple, these guys are afraid of getting bad press. they should've negotiated out of it years ago, but were too stupid to figure it out. only thing i can say is "VOTE". 2 years from now, vote janet the hairy ape and that little dork, terry the fairy goddard, out of office. get a governor that will get rid of these jokers on the commission and replace em with someone with real live gonads. someone that will use science and fact in decisions and not worry about being politically correct. how many hunters are eligible to be registered voters? i guarantee you it's enough to swing an election in this state. if romley is serious about running for governor, and i sorta hope he is, he oughta be sidelin' up to the hunters, because we can elect him. who swung the last presidential election? the NRA did by helping Bush carry arkansas and tennessee. they can whine all they want about florida, but if gore woulda carried either one of these states, he woulda won. and the overwhelming reason he didn't was because of his stand on gun rights. we count guys. we count a bunch. and we have more power than you could ever imagine. just gotta use it. and i'm serious about the pickets. a few guys with some signs could really put a black eye on ol' boy george and his toady griz. hunt on, Lark.

taulman actually sent his weasel/skunk/snake, i mean attorney to the meeting and wanted to negotiate the deal with azgfd? i can't believe they didn't toss him from the mtg. no matter what taulman and his tick, leach, parasite think, this settlement isn't to give uso an edge. this settlement is so that, supposedly, the entire U.S. population has an even chance at our tags. for him to think that uso has the right to any input in this process is pure BS. the very fact that the commission even listened to the guy pisses me off to no end. uso's part is done. it's between whatever Arizona decides and the judge. uso has to take whatever that decision is and live with it. i can't believe his hired gun had that kinda gall to ask to be a part of it. and ya know what, the commission and shroufe will probably cave and let him be in on the final decision. the $10 per bonus point deal. i have a pile o' sheep points. do i have to send em $10 for every one of em now? what's the deal there? anyway, another sad day in the annals of resident Az. hunting. get used to bendin' over frontwards. and do not give any uso employee an even break. wonder if it it'd be legal to picket their camps this fall? sounds like a good thing for guys with no tags to do. put up a big ol' picket line. protest signs and everything. later, Lark.

i still have cheese in my nose and it's chd's fault. i'm sure lotsa folks wonder about me too. but at least i don't attack anyone personally or insist that folks adhere to my way o' thinkin'. chd has brought the wrath on himself. hope he is gone from here. this is a cool site. a lot of real dedicated guys lurk here. guys who remind me o' me, when i was a younger. only not as good lookin'. chd reminds me o' this fat kid i useta kick the crap out of until i got tired because he couldn't keep his mouth shut. Lark.

hey bullwidgeon, did you hit it with your truck or what? nice bull for a unit with no elk. send me a pm and i'll send ya some photos of 3 other bulls from that same hunt, that has no elk in it. one is a real big 5x5. maybe the same one. Lark.

aw man, i gotta couple stories about fake deer that are hilarious. but you're right, if you shoot at one all they can do is give you a ticket for shooting from the road or from a vehicle. it ain't poachin' because it ain't an animal. did you see the g&f video where they were yellin' at the ol' man who stopped his truck, stepped to the side o' the road and proceeded to ventilate their robobuck? they were yellin' at him to stop and he kept shootin'. looked over his shoulder at em and fired some more. he probly tagged it. Lark.

unit 10!!! you mean that utard got one o' our tags? aw man, i'm sick now. glad we drug that 400 bull outta there last year. a guy won't be able to go there for awhile for the smell. wonder what the "half-life" for utard stench is? Lark.

manamal, do you think there's that many deer get shot illegally? seems high, but who knows i guess. you guys are right about azgfd treating poachers lightly. when they do catch someone, it's almost always because a citizen saw it. then they'll usually plea it down to something light. heck, throw the book at em. even if it ain't a deterent, at least make the guy pay a bunch. seems every state and the feds really get serious when they do catch someone and then they all plea down to not much of a fine or penalty. i guess the guys that get caught have to suffer some humiliation and embarassment, but the "serial poachers" don't really care. they'll always argue that they were framed and just keep on doing what they've been doing. had a warden tell me once that some guys get to be like ted bundy. live for poaching. it's a real sickness. said they've had the fbi guys at quantico do that silence of the lambs personallity profile stuff on some different guys and he said that they've been told that the public is lucky these guys got started on animals and not people, because there were real sick individuals. Lark.

i hope he's happy. i still ain't got that hunka cheese outta my nose. Lark.

i hope he's happy. i still ain't got that hunka cheese outta my nose. Lark.

talk about a cold blooded hunter. recurve would turn in his own mom!?! now that's rough. i once new a highway patrolman that gave his own mom a ticket. it is an interesting concept tho. might cost a few grand for the fines she'd get. but if ya look at what a governors tag goes for, you're still way ahead. but man, recurve, for a guy to even think that one up shows some real deviousness. cool. Lark.

now that i finally got the salami and cheese outta my nose, i can type something. man, that was rough. ok, now somebody really bought an auction javelina tag? i try to go pig huntin' every year, but seldom shoot one. just fun to get out that time o' year. can't imagine anyone bidding on a pig tag. what did it go for, a buck and a half? as far as someone shooting a 116 on a high dollar tag, there are always bigger animals taken every year by joe hunter with a permit they drew through the lottery and hunting unguided on wide open public land, than by the guys with big bucks, high dollar tags and famous guides. sorta shows ya who the hunters are. when a guy waits for years to get a quality permit, he tends to spend a lot of time gettin' real intimate with the wildlife in his unit and that is who the really big ones fall to. not some millionaire who sits in his office waiting for the phone to ring because he has a buncha guides out scouting for him and one of em saw a big one. i have no problem with these rich guys donating money to the cause. but i do sorta have a problem with em calling themselves hunters. sorta. i've never been so busy that i couldn't take the time myself to do the footwork. these big time ceo's don't have much time. if i had the bucks, i'd dang sure bid on those permits. but i wouldn't need a buncha guys beatin' the brush for me. if the 116 buck is for real, i'd imagine some guy flew to where it was, shot it and went home. seems to be the modus for most of these gov. tags. i mean good on him and all that. great buck. but it don't surprise me if it was "only" 116. Lark.

dan h. you are plum rotten. not because o' this list, it's great. but because i've been doin' this low carb deal tryin' to shed enough weight that my horse will pack me again and now i gotta big hunka hebrew national salami and piece o' eddie basha's pepper jack cheese i was snackin' on lodged somewhere in my nasal cavity. that is funny, Lark.

now dat's funny, rembrandt. i get serious about a lotta stuff, but hackin' on dummies is the thing i get seriousest about. Lark.

man, i've seen some dumb folks in my life, but muleloper and adhd are plum 'tarded. i'll say it again, I-DON'T-CARE. don't care what ya say about Darner. never even heard of this lewis guy. the coziah deal is all new to me. and again, I-DON'T-CARE. i'm just tryin' to kill some time before oct 1 and i get to start huntin' for reals. hey adhd, when you "win", whatter ya gonna win? you gettin' a prize for arguin' with a guy that's been pullin' yer chain for a month? sheesh, what a maroon. like Doc Holliday said as he was croakin' "this is funny".....Lark.

seems the older i get, the farther i have to shoot. don't know if i can't sneak as good or if i'm just too lazy to get any closer. seems like the size o' the bucks i've been shootin' are shrinkin' too. must be genetics. no way i'd lower my standards. o' course they were never very high anyway. these new shoulder cannons that they make are interesting. until you pick one up. they're ridiculous heavy. i was thinking seriously about a warbird a couple years ago. after you put a huge zeiss on it, it weighed about a ton. my ol' winchester tops out a little over 10 lbs with a full magazine. i ain't goin' any heavier. but dang, the ballistics of those huge .30's are simply amazin'. i'm surprised this thread didn't cause more debate. everyone always thinks that whatever gun they have is the best and will argue worse than ford/chevy debaters. Lark.

napalitano shot a deer? ok, i'm jokin'. i didn't realize there was a coues auction permit tho. what'd it go for? 116 is a nice buck for sure. Lark.

tam. them kinda rifles are for folks that can't sneak. i shoot my ol' model 70 over my shoulder backwards and use a mirror to look at the sights. anyway at anything less than 300 yards. my oldest son bought a tikka t3 in 270wsm. it pretty much equals the weatherby in a lot lighter rifle. we loaded some 130's for it at around 3400 fps. real impressive balistics. he did have to put a simms pad on it though. kick was rough. he's gonna try in out in a couple weeks in wyoming on a muley. there so many hotrod rifles these day that i don't know how a guy can make up his mind on what to shoot. that is if he ain't set in his ways. Lark.

i lost my class ring while i was water skiin' at san carlos lake. a long, long time ago. 5 years later i was fishin' there and caught big flathead in the same cove. when i gutted him, my ring wasn't in it. go figger. Lark.

i've never even heard of the guy before, muleloper. goodnight. you and adhd need to find another guy to convert. this ol' dude is too set in his ways. you guys are just too easy.

the .280 has died and been reborn several times. it's a victim of some poor marketing by remington and some flip flops in barrel twist and a buncha different smaller reasons. the main reason is that it shoots a bullet that is only 7 thousands of an inch larger in diameter than a .270 and you can't hardly resize an '06 into a .280. not a bad cartridge, just not good enough to replace a cartridge (the .270) that has been around 50 years longer and has a heck of a buncha guys shooting it (like me). seems that a lot of writers like it (mainly because it isn't a .270 and the .270 was Jack O'connor's pet cartridge) but the public never got very wild about it. Lark.

cool. i was really worried 'bout jessica.

thanks for the reply. just wondering. there are so many things to consider here. you can spotlight racoons and bullfrogs, but can't take them with a light hooked to a vehicle. driving at night, i see animals frequently, and usually have a gun with me. is that illegal? had a game warden tell me once that it isn't illegal to spotlight with a rifle in the vehicle. he said that you would probably have your rifle confiscated, but would get it back and pay no fine. he said spotlights were a legal tool and carrying a gun in your truck is pretty much legal. combining the 2 made a situation that did raise eyebrows, but didn't neccesarily mean laws were going to be broken. there is a thing called "intent" that has to be proven in most illegal hunting cases. and don't think for a second that i'm advocating spotlighting with a rifle in the truck. doesn't look good for sure, but doesn't neccesarily mean you're attempting to break the law. utah says you can't alter the path of your vehicle to shine the headlights an animal if you have a firearm. if you do, it's the same as poaching. new mex says you're poaching if you are spotlighting and have a gun and can confiscate your vehicle and everything in it. both states have had some major fights over some zealous ticketing. heard one story about a farmer irrigating in new mex at night. was out shoveling in the light of his spotlight and had a .22 in the truck that he'd been shooting gofers with and was ticketed. i see some things happening that worry me, as far as laws and all this talk about it "being up the game warden" whether something is illegal or not really bugs me. and there have a been a couple pretty vague laws inacted lately that seem to maybe give them some real broad authority. i guess what bothers me most is that it seems like game wardens and the usfs cops are sorta running around acting like everyone is a criminal, they just haven't all got caught yet. Lark.

went to the mt's and did a lot of rifle-less elk hunting. some friends have the early bull hunt and we've been spending a lot of time looking. did some spotlighting 2 different nights. pretty much stayed to the main roads. no rifles. (even though it isn't illegal, but is pretty stupid). anyway, with all the discussion lately about baiting, roadhunting, etc., is it legal to spotlight? there are some new 'game harrasment' laws on the books. could spotlighting be considered harassment? we didn't chase anything around. hardly anything we saw payed us much attention. my question is, with all this "it's up to the game warden" stuff, can they say you're harrassing wildlife when you're spotlighting? anyone have an opinion or an experience with this? saw several other folks out with the one eyed dog too. Az. has some of the easiest rules when it comes to spotlighting, especially when compared to utah and new mex, but i'm just wondering if the wildlife harassment rules could apply? Lark.

so, how'd the show turn out? did josh get his buck? did jessica come out of the coma? did they figger out who the dad was? i was out elkin' all weekend.

why, the .270 o' course. you mean they make other kindsa guns? must be a passin' fancy. ok, ok, i'm biased. but my dad says it's best, so it must be. but in all honesty, i have to agree that a list that doesn't include the .30-'06 ain't complete. afterall, all ya hafta to do is neck up a .270 to make one. Lark.