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heck ultramag, that sounds like the kinda guys i might try to camp by. watchin' idjits is better than cartoons. my cousin has a ranch that is in the middle of nowhere. he has a couple cabins on it that are even futher into nowhere. they were building fence and living in one for several weeks awhile back. there is no road to this place. they came back one night and some guys had hiked in and chunked all their gear out the door and moved in. he ran em out and got pretty loud about it. he asked what the heck they thought they were doin' and what they thought all the gear was there for. they thought they were gonna out muscle whoever was there first. they're lucky they didn't get shot. then they got all whiney as asked him where they were gonna stay because they didn't bring a tent and it was gonna rain. he told em to drown. life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid. i hate campin' where there is even a chance of somebody else tryin' to camp in the same place. i'd rather put up with skunks than dumbasses. Lark.

my kids bought me some awhile back. they are topnotch. i've done the side by side with the kind with z's in the name and several other high dollar glasses, and they are at least equal. i see they're making i think a 12x50 in the same style this year. i don't have real good eyes anymore and have to look through em with my glasses on and they work great. not too many bino's work good if you hafta use your spec's. but these do. Lark.

finally got my refund. i can walk a lot easier now that my wife is off my back. whe ain't got no school clothes shoppin' to do so i'm wonderin' what she's gonna buy? "WE" need a new wall tent. Lark.

it was a new 150. dark headed guy with a mustache. i have csi working on an i.d. he'd be a real menace in heavy traffic. i saw at least 94 guys drivin' just like that this morning, on the 202. Lark.

don't matter what anyone's opinion is. dog fighting is against the law. it's a felony. the gov't has designated it as such. vick is going to prison over it and he pled in a hurry because he wanted to keep it to a minimum. hunting is not against the law. in fact, it is protected by the law. you don't go to prison for hunting. every state has an agency that administers hunting law. it doesn't matter if a jackass nba dork compares the two or if some ill informed guy agrees with him. the difference between dog fighting and hunting is that dogfighting is illegal, hunting is legal. so is rodeo, horse racing, dog racing, fishing derbys, dog shows, etc. as long as hunting is legal, there is no room to compare it to dogfighting. Lark.

well i sure got a good look at it! Lark.

go to this website. it splains fairly well what sport hunting and sport hunters are in this state. don't get into a debate about ethics and all that. the basics of hunting are quite simple. lets keep it that way. Lark. http://www.azgfd.com/

good heck, what is goin' on here? just because some peta sob or some nba jackass says that hunting and dog fighting are the same, it doesn't mean hunters have to side with vick in order to protect their sport. good night fellers. heck, what if they compared hunters to child molesters? you gonna defend baby rapin'? i can't believe folks can't see the difference. these are 2 completely different things that have absolutely nothing to do with each other and defending something that has been deemed a felony by the rule of law is absolutely no way to justify what we like to do. dang, don't get this stuff blurred. hunting an't a "bloodsport". there is some blood involved, but that ain't what it's about. be fine with me if the animals i hunted didn't even have blood or guts. just something to deal with to get em ready to eat. but come on guys, do not get on the wagon with folks who get joy from torturing and maming animals and enjoy watching them kill each other. there is absolutely no connection between our sport that that crap and if you can't see the definite seperation, and a big one at that, you oughta think about counselling. Lark.

sounds like when i said it was done to appease huggers, i was right. i still see no need for it and am really trying hard to figure out why a guy who runs dogs would want anymore restrictions. after the sabino canyon debacle and the director and the commission caved to the governor and all the screamin' huggers, i always felt that was the beginning of the end. hope i'm wrong. Lark.

he's right, it is a sport. so is serail murder, serial rape, child molesting, racial violence, wife beating, etc. shows you what kinda guy marbury is. zakly the reason i quit watchin' the nba years ago. it's more choreographed than pro rasslin'. it's a joke. one thing for sure, the falcons will have a much better team with that coach killer ball hog gone. i've spent my whole life with working dogs of one kind or another. sometimes they would fight, but it was personall to the dogs. and i never condoned it or let em keep after it. training dogs to kill each other is a sick deal. and folks that get kicks from it are sick folks. Lark.

i shoot 140 hornday interlocks. the cheap hornadys. tried some 130 interbonds. they work ok, at least as good as the interlocks, but at twice the price. they shoot all the way through elk, deer, goats, whatever, and wad up under the skin on the off side. i really like em. i shot 130 sierras for years and can't really remember why i changed. they would come apart a lot and the lead and jacket would usually be in the same place, but seperated, and killed the heck outta deer and elk. never could figure out why folks cussed that aspect of them, because they seemed to be devastating. my ol' man killed a really big 6x6 bull a couple years ago with sierra 130's, and no other bullet coulda done better. as long you don't use "el 'spode-o" hollowpoints or plastic tippers or them junky all copper bullets, anything will work and work well. it's all in the marksmanship. heart and lungshot = dead animal. Lark.

you guys need to read the reg's real good because they are sorta confusing. for instance, you can shoot lions from sept 1 till may 31, in every square foot of u27. it only has the mulitple bag limit in the bear canyon and pipestem units. from sept 1 to may 31, you can shoot a lion anywhere. the "quota" is for multiple lions. in the areas with multiple bag limits you can shoot one lion "PER DAY", until the multiple bag limit has been achieved, then it reverts to one lion per year, of which the multiple bag limit lions that were shot do not apply. so if you're good enough, hypothetically, one guy can shoot 21 lions in u27, in 21 days. i'm surprised at some of the units that don't have a multiple bag limit this year. i saw a smokin' hot lion track in u28 a couple weeks ago. fresh enough that i think i coulda found it if i'd have tried a little. and without dogs. but it was hot and i was lazy and had my ol' man with me, so i didn't. got to looking at the regs later, and from what i could read, i'da been illegal if i'da shot it. personally, i think this sept 1 to may 31 deal is stupid as heck, has absolutley no biological merit, was done only to appease huggers, is the first step in outlawing lion hunting, and whoever thought of it oughta be whupped. lions breed and have younguns year round. i think a guy should buy a lion tag when he gets his license and if he sees a lion he oughta shoot it. they're a great trophy that is vastly underhunted. Lark.

desert bull is just fulla wisecrackin' today ain't he. that's my job. what i meant to say, so you don't get confused, desert bull ya joker, is we got the tags we were lucky enough to get drrod for, but hadn't recieved the money back for the 3 sheep applincations and the 3 bison applications the we didn't get drood for. and like others, my wife is raisin' heck about it and has a ditch wore through the front lawn from checkin' the mailbox fer the money. it's sorta like she loans it to me and if it don't show up soon, she might start hittin' me with stuff till it does. when my kids were younger, application refunds were always school clothes money. once i got drood for a buncha stuff and had to sell a pickup for clothes. Lark.

if you shoot a .270 then don't worry about it. they don't drop. it's an anomaly of physics. only thing knowed to man to not be affected by gravity. that's why when you shoot a .270 you need to make sure you hit what you're shooting at. if you miss it keeps going until it hits something. i know a guy that shot hisself in the back o' the head. bullet went around the world when missed a bighorn. sad deal too.........Lark.

that lead deal is all overblowed. bullwidgeon's folks gave him a lead pacifier, put powdered lead in his pablum, painted his room with lead base paint, he had a lead trike. it didn't hurt him none. i mean he sorta looks like a javelina, but i don't think lead had anything to do with that. did it? i have a bullet in my back that's been there almost 40 years. it ever doneded nothin' to me. well except make me go to the strip search place at the airport metal detector. but that ain't all bad. Lark.

in a .270 you put any bullet in it and all the powder you want and shoot it and it will kill somethin'. that's just the way they are. Lark.

check it out. http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0805gamefish0806.html

dang, you got it right. a .270 is a whole 3,000 of an inch bigger than true 7mm. which is a lot closer to 7mm than the .284 diameter, or 7.21 mm, 7mm. is that confusing? if it ain't, ya got it. i guess i don't get how calling a bullet that is actually a bit larger than 7mm, a 6.8mm, would be getting it right? we've called .277 diamter a .270 for over 80 years. why start calling 6.8mm? especially when it isn't even very close to being right. all i was trying to do was throw out some real info. i read once that when the guy that developed the .270 did it he wanted a true 7mm diameter bullet but couldn't call it that because of all the european rounds that were actually little larger. there's a lotta other stuff that's real hard to understand about bullet development too. but i'll stand by what i said. .270 bullets are actually 7mm diameter, while 7mm are actually 7.2mm. actually, i don't see where there is enough difference in the .277 and .284 bullets to even have them both. except that the .277 is better. Lark.

i really couldn't care less. Lark

glass, look for sign, maybe try to call him in. right now i'd think about every bear in the country is in the prickly pears gettin a purple tongue. Lark,

use whatever bullets you want to use. use whatever charts and numbers and other junk to justify what you want to use. you asked if anyone loaded for a .264 and i have. a bunch. in fact, more than anyone i've known. i'd bet i've put 10,000 rounds through a .264. and loaded even more than that. i bought a new one less than a year ago and it's had well over 500 through it already. my youngest son has a new sendero .264 that he's still figuring out. but i prefer lighter bullets. and they are easier on the barrel. and if you haven't burned out at least one .264 barrel, you haven't shot one much. there are few animals west of the mississippi and south of canada that haven't rolled over to one of my .264's. same goes for my .270's, .300's, .243's, etc. Lark.

we have several .264's in the house. i've been shooting one for around 40 years. i really like 100 gr bullets. H4831sc is my favorite powder. loaded in large quantities. loaded some 125 gr nosler partitions for my kid's new sendero last night. he's hoping to shoot a bear this weekend with it. personally, i wouldn't shoot anything over 129's out of a .264. it handcuffs the round too much. a .264 was made to run fast, and with even the 129's, it ain't that hot. about 3300 fps is all you can do without really running the jagged edge. nosler makes a 100 gr partition, if a guy is afraid of the bullet 'splodin'. but i've had excellent succes with 100 gr hornady interlocks. chronographed em at 3800+ fps. it you really wanna have some fun, load up some 85gr hp sierras. you can get close to 4000 fps and they will vaporize a jackrabbit. but the 140 and 165 gr bullets are pretty much useless to me. slower than tar and don't hit real well. bullet is too long, builds up too much pressure and you really need a little quicker barrel twist to stabilize em. my opinion is that if a guy needs a big bullet, he needs to get a big gun. too many folks try to make a big gun out of .264's, .270's and 7mm's. the big long bullets just don't do real well out of any of em. Lark.

why do they call it a 6.8mm? do you guys know that the .270 (.277) is actually 7mm, while the 7mm (.284) is actually a little over 7.2mm? so they oughta call the .270 a 7mm and the 7mm somethin' else. there's your math lesson for the day. Lark.

well shucks, the name "BASSpro" oughta tell a guy a little about which way their business is aimed. if you want a rapala or a boat, that's the place to go. bp, cabelas and dang sure the sportsmans outhouse, have a whole buncha not much when it comes to reloading supplies. best place in town for powder and bullets is the pistol parlor. these other places keep around a lot of the real popular calibers and weights in bullets, and seem to really keep up on what is en vogue (that's stylish to the folks from aj) but don't seem to have very much of a lot of the things i buy. we have several .264's in the house, PP is the only place in town i can find a good selection or .264 bullets. i've noticed that a lot of places don't even have a good stock of .277 and .308 diameter bullets anymore. i'm kinda sure that them are still sorta popular sizes. cabelas and basspro are a blast to knock around in and they have a lotta clothes and shoes and camping gear and new guns, but they don't do real good on the reloading stuff. i'll say this about BP, my wife broke her leg awhile back and was in a wheelchair and on crutches for awhile. we went to basspro but didn't take her chair. there wasn't one up front and they did go find one for us. Lark.

you can buy a lotta 'lectricity for $20.5 million. you can also do a helluva lot o' wildlife managament with $20.5 million. but it's sorta apparant, to me anyway, that managing wildlife ain't to high on the azgfd's list. i was just tryin' to poke a little fun at the azgfd and everbody took it all serious. Lark.