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yep, them are beuhler mounts. not a bad set up. a little hard to sight in, but they almost never get knocked off and there are a lot less places for the scope to leak from. B&L made a lot of fine scopes with no adjustment on them. if it's clear, i'd leave it on it. they just look right on a model 70. i'd love to have one to put on one o' my old ones. looks like an original stock. appears to be a standard grade. featherweights have an alluminum trigger guard and magazine plate and the blue is always a little off colored. supergrades have fancier wood, deeper blue and different checkering. they also have a plastic tip on the forepiece. seems like some of them have a cap on the pistol grip too. does it have an orignal barrel that has been rechamberd? they could have done that with an '06 real easy. or is it a custom barrel? the .300/.338 is an interesting cartridge. quite a bit hotter than an '06 but a little less than a .300 win mag. should be a lot like a .308 norma. probly a bit hotter than a short mag. and being a hair shorter than the .300, it will work a little better in the action. the .300, both the win and h&h's have to be loaded just a little shorter than in some other actions, because the pre64 isn't a big long action. the h&h's, both the .300 and .375, along with the .300 winchester, are quite long cartridges. i always kinda figgerd that the .338, .458 and .264 were made the length they were in order to work well in the action. they're all on the same case. one thing i know for sure, that is one dang fine rifle. i'll swap ya 2 mossberg .22 autos, a three legged dog and whole case o' montezuma's revenge tequila for it. you said it had a lot of twist? you mean barrel twist? how quick is it? maybe they set it up for heavy bullets. 200's and 220's take a quick twist, like 8". i hope ya told whoever gave to ya thanks. that's a neat rifle. Lark.

i just loaded a buncha 180 nosler accubonds with retumbo powder last night. they have a fairly high BC. my oldest son shot a bull last year at 804 yards with this load. Lark.

the factory never offered a pre 64 in that caliber. in fact i've never seen factory ammo for it. i've seen a couple custom rifles chambered for it. the balistics are a lot like a 300 short mag. it must either be a rechamber or it has a different barrel on it. there are a lot of custom model 70's out there. model 70's seem to really fluctuate in price. one gun show will have a bunch real reasonable, the next they are all higher than heck. if it's in good shape, not all rusty and beat and up, has a good sound stock on it, it will be worth from $600 on the low end to over a grand. if it's a super grade or featherweight, it will be worth a little more. interesting sounding rifle. does it have the old beuhler scope mounts on it? most of the old bausch and lomb scopes did. all the adjustments are in the bases and there are no knobs on the scope. post a photo if you can. Lark.

this is a rough deal. guess when a guy finds a dead animal he needs to leave it alone. plague is bad stuff. too bad. Lark. http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-1...nd-canyon_N.htm

i can't think of a bigger test than havin' obama bin biden in office. Lark.

a couple months ago this was a really big subject on this site. i got called all kindsa names for bein' a nonbeliever. seems to me like there has been a real abscence of any global warming alarmist articles in the news lately. could it be that since all the real science lately has leaned the other way and that the "sky is falling" koolaid drinkers wanna change the subject until they can drum up some more "evidence" that we're all gonna cook? anyway, this is an interesting article and it has real funny comments also. i for one, am ready for a litte global cooling, since it's almost deer season. seems like it always cools off about now. is it because we emit less co2 in the fall and winter? Lark. http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/f...es-go-poof.aspx

does this suprise anyone? only 2 things he coulda done, endorse nobody or endorse the terrorist buddy. Lark.

looks suspiciously photo shopped. Lark.

i honestly thing a little less of the style of management that seems to be prevalent these days would be a good thing for the wildlife. Lark.

how many swats did ya git? when i turned 50 a guy asked how old i was in human years........he didn't see me for about a week after that. we was around each other, but his eyes was swoll shut for about 8 days. happy birthday, Lark.

skin it and hang it up at night. each morning take it down, lay it on a canvas tarp or old blanket or a sleeping bag in the shade and cover it with sleeping bags or anything that will insulate it and keep it cool. doesn't have to be real cold or frozen, just cool. you can keep deer this way for a long time. for a week, easy. and they age really well and will be better to eat. main thing is to clean em up real good and don't leave a lotta blood or gut juice ar anything like that on em. don't worry if they grow a little mold here and there. just wash it off or trim it off when you cut it up. late november, about anywhere in Az., you can take real good care of deer. deer, especially coues, are quite small and chill out well and keep well if you take some time and be vigilant with them. elk are a different story. you need to split them or bone them out so they don't sour in the shoulders where the neck and shoulders come together. they'll spoil there even when it's real cold sometimes because they hold heat for so long. if you're around a garden hose, hose the heck out of things. it really takes the heat out and chills them and it's good to clean things real well. and never ever, ever use anything plastic. no plastic tarps or clear plastic or garbage bags. plastic build heat and won't let things breath. again, no plastic. i've taken care of hundreds of deer and elk this way and never lost one steak. Lark.

that's why it isn't as fast. Lark.

azgfd gets a big chunk o' change from the feds to stay involved. since they are no longer a wildlife management agency and are purely an accounting firm, they go where they money is. this entire program has been nothing but an expensive fiasco ran by "ecologists" with no real direction other than to run folks off the land. Lark.

parts are easy to get. the one i use all the time was made in '48. you can't wear em out. i have others that are older, but seldom shoot em. Lark.

you don't see em very often because, well they like, live underground most o' the time. i called one badger in many years ago in u1. thought it was a bobcat the wasy it came slitherin' in. shot it with a .22 pistol. my uncle called one in and shot it, also. also many years ago. i saw one awhile back, but just let it waddle off. neat critter. greasy suckers to skin. best to skin it, roll it up and freeze it. let the taxidermist flesh it. the hide seems to grow fat for about a week. every once in awhile a guy will glass one up while glassing for goats and such. Lark.

this is an excellent post krp. said what a lot of folks have thought but couldn't put in words. posse hunting, i like that. good term. last year the same players in this fiasco had a big blow up in nevada because they had a big bull spotted and figured that because they had a guy with a lot of money that it was their elk and everyone else had to leave it alone. i guess another outfitter took a guy on the hunt and he shot it. there was a lot of mudslingin' over that deal. for some reason some folks think that whoever forks out the most money is the guy that should have dibs on things. a few years ago an old guy that can't even carry his own rifle bought an Az. pronghorn tag and shot a buck that was eventually recognized as the world record. only problem was that a college kid killed a buck the same year, with no guide and barely enough cash to make the hunt, that tied it. a guy i know said there was a lotta mad folks over that deal because this ol' dude had spent so much on the hunt and some kid from nowhere got one just as big. personally, i think all these extra curricullar tags should be raffle only. let everyone have a shot at them and maybe cut out some of this market hunting. if a guy wants to buy a tag for a huge bull, he can always hunt san carlos. Lark.

fishook wilderness in u28. next to the rez. lots of elk. rough country. Lark.

ok, all you jokers read this. it's an article from the nytimes in 1999. way before W got elected. when your hero clinton was in office. now all o' you obama supporters tell me again why this is a republican problem? and tell me again how obama is gonna fix it? once again, the only thing that will fix the economy is hard work and ingenuity by the American work force. the entire world is sitting on their hands waiting for America to fix the problem. and raising taxes, on anyone, ain't the way to do it. raise the taxes on the rich guys and they just raise their prices. that us average joes have to pay. read it and weep. Lark. September 30, 1999 Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending By STEVEN A. HOLMES In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders. The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in 15 markets -- including the New York metropolitan region -- will encourage those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is generally not good enough to qualify for conventional loans. Fannie Mae officials say they hope to make it a nationwide program by next spring. Fannie Mae, the nation’s biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits. In addition, banks, thrift institutions and mortgage companies have been pressing Fannie Mae to help them make more loans to so-called subprime borrowers. These borrowers whose incomes, credit ratings and savings are not good enough to qualify for conventional loans, can only get loans from finance companies that charge much higher interest rates -- anywhere from three to four percentage points higher than conventional loans. ’’Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the 1990’s by reducing down payment requirements,’’ said Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae’s chairman and chief executive officer. ’’Yet there remain too many borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our underwriting has required who have been relegated to paying significantly higher mortgage rates in the so-called subprime market.’’ Demographic information on these borrowers is sketchy. But at least one study indicates that 18 percent of the loans in the subprime market went to black borrowers, compared to 5 per cent of loans in the conventional loan market. In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980’s. ’’From the perspective of many people, including me, this is another thrift industry growing up around us,’’ said Peter Wallison a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. ’’If they fail, the government will have to step up and bail them out the way it stepped up and bailed out the thrift industry.’’ Under Fannie Mae’s pilot program, consumers who qualify can secure a mortgage with an interest rate one

these are the kinda folks that anti's need to go after. this joker needs locked up. he's a literal menace to society. pinkeyed goats to kill the bighorns. bulldozin' indian ruins. dammed up the little colorado. dumped crap all over creen queek when the sewer backed up. now this. and on and on and on.......is there an end to what this @$$hole is capable of? this is a very dangerous person. Lark. http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/n...settlement.html

i don't think anybody says it was behind a fence. but there a lotta rumors that it was released or escaped, whatever, from a farm, prior. there are plenty of ways to either prove or dispell the rumors, if anyone should decide to want to do it. the biggest problem folks have with this is the fiasco that surrounded the entire deal. Lark.

if you got the late dec. hunt i have some advice. wear your longjohns. it's gonna be cold. there are bunches of whitetail in 27, and some big ones. Lark.

amen. Lark.

this past year has been exceptional for elk horns. look at all the big bulls killed in Az. i've seen photos of half a dozen 400+ bulls this year. i don't buy for a minute that they were doing something to make this elk big. at least while he was in the field. but there is a lot of rumor about it escaping from a elk farm. if they have antlers from last year, they could do the dna deal. i am just really tired of the negative impace these auction tags have had the past couple years. the subdivision bull in Az. and now this joke of a mess in utah. it just doesn't seem "ok" to me to flood the woods with folks to find one animal for some rich guy. ain't that sorta the way the british snuf sniffers useta hunt tigers? if the raffle tags bring in more money than the auction tag, then auction off all of em and let us poor guys have a better chance. if the money is still going in the till, why reserve the best tags in the country for millionaires only? a few millionaires don't contribute 1/1000 of what us regular guys do, when it comes to the overall take for tags and licenses. why do they automatically get the tags? they seem to really divide hunters and it gives anti's a lot of ammo to shoot at us. Lark.

this is big bull. whether it is a free ranging bull or a high fence plant, remains to be decided. and whether it's ok to use an army of guys to find it, well that's a matter of opinion too. after all the junk that went on in the unit where this took place, well it really gives a lot of folks a black eye, and really gives hunting in general a kick in the groin. there were knifed tires, death threats, and all kindsa other presumed sabotage associated with this deal. there are gonna be hard feelings all over the place, forever, over this deal. no matter how it turns out, there will always be a controversy surrounding it. if folks have the money, time, and don't care about what really are negative things involved in this type of pursuit, then have at it, i guess. this reminds me a lot of the guy in Az. last year who waited until the last few days of a year long season and shot a bull in the subdivision. who's to say he was wrong? he was convicted of something, seems like pretty minor, but if he's ok with it, then i guess it's ok. but there were so many other ways to accomplish his goal that wouldn't have caused any problems, i don't see why they allowed things to go the way they did. and it did some real harm to the perception of hunting. and i know this, if you're going to be so close to the law that it takes a tape measure to determine if you're legal or not you oughta think about it awhile longer. same here. not that any laws were broken, but there has been a lot of damage done to the perception of hunting. it is going to give a lot of ammo to anti's and it is going to cause a lot of animosity within the hunting community because of folks being for it and against it. personally, i don't see where the amount of money that goes into hunting budgets from these type of tags is enough to cover the cost of the negative perception. but that's my opinion. a big ol' bull that deserves to be remembered better, is always going to have a controversy around it. same with the shipsey bull. monster bull. deserves to be in b&c for sure, but isn't. i mean at least the elk oughta be recognized. if the guys in the club don't like shipsey, at least recognize the elk. it wasn't poached. from what i remember it wasn't allowed because either his mother or wife or girlfriend, some female, gave him the tag as a gift and their name was on it and not his. the rez didn't care and it was legal per them. that's how i remember it went down. could be wrong, but i remember reading something about that. the b&c was not about to let him enter it for other reasons, but i'm pretty sure that was the excuse they used. what we all need to think about is what we wouild do in the same situation. i guess i'm a little different, but if i had a tag like that, last thing i'd want was a buncha folks with me. me and my boys are enough for me and i think between us we could come up with a decent animal to shoot. o' 'course it would be nice to have a buncha guys to help pack it to the road. but then, again, i have a mule. Lark. p.s. does anyone know how much $$$ was brought in by the raffle tags, as compared to the auction tags? maybe they oughta just raffle all these kinda tags and not have an auction. the auction automatically excludes anyone who isn't extemely wealthy, and i think this is where most of the hard feelings come from.

don't know how old he is, but he is big. Lark.