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midget deer hunters want to feel better about the inferior aminals they shoot so they make up seemingly derogatory names for mule deer. in the circus of wildlife, mule deer are the trapeeze artists and lion tamers. coues deer are the ones that come bailin' outta them little bitty firetrucks. Lark.

bergers usually always require a little different twist than other bullets of the same weight. the way they are constructed makes them longer, requiring a little quicker twist than you would usually use for a given weight. most of the bullet boxes tell you what twist to use. and .25 caliber is probably the most twist sensative of all. Lark.

i heard he'd started doin' prono fer extree cash. man, he hit bottom and started diggin'. Lark.

the .17 HMR is "NOT" legal to take javelinas. one more time, the .17 HMR is not legal for javelinas. .17 centerfires are legal. get learned up on the regs before you get yourself in trouble dudes. but as far as being able to kill a pig with one, well yeah. i've killed a bunch with a bow. any rifle is better than a bow. at least with an animal assassin like me anyway. Lark.

anybody know of a good outfit for blueing in the phx area? i have an old winchester double barrel i'd like to get reblued. Lark.

Lamell was the dictionary, encyclopedia, bible and constitution of hunting. like me, anything he didn't know didn't need to be knowed anyway. he killed Az's big 10 with a .30/30 and no hounds. i think one of his bucks is still the #2 typical in Az. he has one nontypical muley that scores in the 260's. he has 8 pronghorns over 16". killed half a dozen lions with no hounds. either called em in, waited on a kill or found a hot track and tracked em down. killed more big bears than anybody i know. again, no hounds. caught more big trout than anybody in this state ever thought about and his favorite method was an 18 foot cane pole and one salmon egg and 2 pound line. plum comical to watch him land an 8 pound rainbow with 2 pound line. if you left on a good horse and led another one, he'd walk em both in the dirt and you'd be leadin' em a mile back before the day was over. no, lucky ain't the word for it. i'm just naturally lucky, or maybe it's just cuz i'm so smart and i call it luck. i was blessed and privledged to know Lamell Ellsworth. didn't realize what an honor it was at the time. he had a stroke shortly after i moved to the valley and was in a wheelchair til he died. i was down here alone at the time and the rehab place he was in wasn't too far from where i was holed up at so i'd go by most nights and visit until he couldn't stay awake anymore. he lost, or misplaced, a lot of his memory right after the stroke, but he remembered the outdoors. he got it all back after awhile, but he never misplaced the huntin' stories. his name must be in the Az. record book a dozen times. heck, now i'm gonna hafta go outside awhile so's nobody can see me cryin'. dang, i miss that feller. Lark.

Lamell the legend was a real good friend o' mine. some o' the funniest stories i ever heard, he told me. the not so dead bobcat, him and elro and the lion in the cave and the beaver in the ditch made me cry when he told em. when Lamell died, Elro did the life story at his funeral. i never laughed so hard in my life at a funeral. every day was an adventure for those two. it's a good thing showlow was a dinky place when they were kids, or they'da probly burned half of it down. Lark.

crap, that was one of the cleverest jokes i ever pulled and ya don't even git it. maroons, alla ya'lls. Lark.

doncha mean "chorizo". stinkin' aliens. if you're gonna live here, learn the language. Lark.

whatever you get her, get a double action revolver. .22, .38, .357, whatever. no single action revolver, no semi auto. auto's are ok for guys. they shoot all the time, know how to work one, are more able to make it go bang under duress. women don't have that kind of personallity and can, and have on many occasions, gotten screwed up trying to make an auto work, with really bad results. with a double action revolver all you do is start pulling the trigger. when the gun starts going bang, the bad guys leave. the bad guys are chicken little punks, every time, and if someone fights back, with something that can hurt them, they quit the fight. they make all kindsa double actions. airweights, hammerless, all kindsa colors, etc. you only need one hand to shoot them, either hand, and they always work. ruger makes a new one with a polymer frame, hammerless and it will take +p ammo and i think they make it in a .357 also. smith makes the lady smith in a buncha varietys. taurus, colt, etc, they all make something that will work. and it don't have to be a dirty harry cannon or be 'spensive. it just needs to be able to hit accurately anywhere from touching the bad guy to about 10 feet at his butt while he's runnin' away. personally, i would got for the hammerless gun. the bad guy can't stop it from shooting by getting his hand between hammer and the firing pin. if you're going to get someone a gun for personal protection, get them something that is the best thing to kill somebody with, if they have too. i know a guy who bought his daughter a nice little auto when she went away to college. while she was trying to get a shell in the barrel, the puke took it away and killed her with it. he got the needle awhile back, but that doesn't do her much good. if she would have had a double action revolver, he'da been in the dirt a lot sooner and she'd still he around. aim for the guts first and then finish em off while they're doin' the chicken spin on the ground. Lark.

i hate it when folks say axed wrong too. Lark.

i think ac guy is a geenyuss, you should taek his suggestion seriously. i'll give it back when i'm done with it. Lark.

well,just got back from the annual spamorama, intestinal gas spewin', BS contest and javelina season. this year i was the luckiest hunter. i didn't get one. but i did see the dangdest thing i ever seen. or thought it was. i was a slippin' down this here little arroyo when i jumped a lone boar hog. actually, i smelt it first. ooo, man it stunk. anyway, i was usin' my bent barrelled .30/30 with no sights and the over the shoulder with a mirror method of shootin'. just to make sure i didn't get one. well, i fired off a round or 2 and musta hit purty close, cuz danged if the pig didn't go to hollerin'. "HEY, KNOCK THAT OFF. YA ALMOST HIT ME". and he said a buncha cusswords too, but i ain't about to say all them dang things on this here family site. anyway, i had a thought, dadgum, a talkin' javelina. i ain't never seen one before. i figgerd i oughta catch it and make it a pet. be sorta like a pirate with a talkin' parrot, only i could have a javelina on my shoulder. teach it to say "ARRRR MATEY" and "YA SCURVY SEA DOG" and such. anyway, i took in after it and chased it over the ridge and the dang thing run and jumped into a beat up toyota pickup and took off. dang, now i really gotta catch it. a talkin' and drivin' javelina. ringling brothers here we come. alas, tha dang thing got away. never did catch it. next day there was a bunny cop in camp checkin' tags, until the smell got to him (it was chili bean day). anyway i told him about the talkin' javelina and he just laughed. "that wernt no talkin' javelina. that were some feller named brett" i said, "you mean ol' bullwidgeon?" and he said "yeah". i said, "well heck, i almost shot him." then we got in a discussion about it and i told him he oughta do somethin' about it before he got kilt and he said last year they made him wear a orange vest and they just got a buncha reports of a talkin' javelina wearin' an orange vest. so this year he was just on his own and if he gets shot, he gets shot. anyway, i'm glad i didn't hit him but i was sure dissapointed when i found out there weren't no talkin' javelina. Lark.

send me a pm dude. i picked up a really nice model 24 winchester at a gunshow a couple years ago that could use some new blue. Lark.

there are a buncha things on them huntin' shows that bug me, but that ain't one of em. as far as i'm concerned that's one of the smartest things they do. every show, and i mean every one of em, has gotten so dang phoney and commercialized that i can't watch em. every one of em is a 30 minute infomercial. if them jokers are pros, then i never wanna be a pro. if pro means you have to reinact every crap thing you do, crawling into the camera and all that stuff, sell out to anybody that will sponsor you, shoot stuff high fenced, over bait, tame, from a fancy weather proof blind, pay some guide to haul your butt around, etc, etc, then i'll stay a rank amatuer. i still watch shockey to some extent and roger ragland, because they have passion and enthusiasm beyond the money. and shockey goes to some incredible lengths to hunt stuff that nobody else has the nuts to go after, but they are still real commercial. and i like hal. but i can't stand any of these other phonys. they make me wanna puke. act like rock stars. callin' antlers horns is nothin' compared to the rest of the pure $h!t that goes into these shows. it's time for my medication now. Lark.

my son had one for several years. really a neat rifle. we reloaded several different weights. he finally stuck with 100 grain hornady's loaded hotter than heck. liked how fast and flat they shot, and had incredible groups. killed many coues, muleys and several bulls with it. i think i'd use a 130 or 140 if i shot one tho. but them hunnerds scream! i've shot a .270 for over 40 years and i like the hornady interlocks as good as anything. never had one come apart and they are very accurate and they aren't so stinkin' expensive. they don't have quite the BC as some bullets, but they are sufficient and there is no way any of the "premium" bullets will work better as far as the way they kill. there are so many good bullets anymore, that a guy has many options. the only thing i've never liked was any of the solid copper bullets. they are so slow the way you have to load them that they just ain't no fun. and i don't like how they work at all. Lark.

308 nuts give me lessons. hohohohohohahahahahaha. now that's funny right there, i don't care who ya are. tell us another one. everbuddy that knows anything, knows i already know it all. if i don't know it, it don't need to be knowed. the warbird i got to use had a 28 inch barrel that was pretty heavy, seems like it might have been fluted. had a really big muzzlebrake. i took the stock off to tinker with the trigger and it was heavy as heck too. and it had a monster scope on it too. had to weigh 13 or 14 pounds. it was nice to shoot with the extra weight, but dang i'd hafta take an extra mule just for the rifle. but it was a shooter. that's when i started getting the long range bug. took me a few years to get real serious about it, but that's what started it. my oldest boy bought a tikka in .270 wsm and put a good scope on it and we started tinkering with it and got it to doing some pretty incredible things on a consistant basis. then he bought a christensen in the .300 ultra and put a fancy zeiss on it and started making some really in long shots with it. shot one bull elk that was 805 yards away. i borrowed it from him in 2008 and shot a muley at 635 and an elk at 740 with it. this past summer my kids bought me a 6.5x20x44 varixIII with a turret calibrated for my old .300 mag model 70. after i put it on the gun i realized my barrel was gone. had a 26 inch schnieder installed and had the action tuned up a little and reapplied the scope. shot a muley at 565 and a bull elk at 900 with it this past season. it's fun to shoot. the .300 winchester ain't the hotrod the warbird and ultras, etc are, but it is good enough. and like a guy i know that can really knows how to shoot told me, them aminals don't know how fast the bullet is going. after about 500 they all drop like a rock anyway. you just hafta know the rate they drop at. with all the stuff that's available on the net and stuff anymore, where other guys have done all the work for ya, it's fairly easy to set up a long ronge bomb lobber. i plan on knowing it a lot better next season. i might even break my self imposed non javelina killin' vow if i can get one to stand still at around a 1000 or so. i've made some tremendous shots with my ol .270 and with several .264's. there was a some luck and a lotta experience with kentucky windage involved with em tho. the precision stuff is sorta fun. takes a lotta gear tho. Lark.

i don't recall the last time i shot a factory round in anything but a .22 or a shotgun and some pistols. my youngest boy just got a .45/70 and we've just shot factories out of it so far, too. but i reload exclusively for everything else we have. my son's .300 ultra has a 28 inch barrel and with the load we made up for it, it shoots a lot faster than any .300 weatherby i was ever around. the ultra holds about 15 or 20 more grains of powder and it's pretty easy to get 200-300 fps more, with like weight bullets. i know zakly what you mean about the weatherby rifles. i've never been a fan of them and they are the sorriest thing i've ever seen to load and chamber the bigger rounds. a friend has a .338/.378 and if it was mine i'd chunk it in a lake. several years ago he missed several nice bulls because it wouldn't chamber rounds worth a dang. they need to make the action about 1/4 inch longer it seems. the throats are so long on most every weatherby i've ever worked with that if you load the bullet out to where it fits the chamber, for max accuracy, they don't work well in the magazine because the COL is too long. i guess it's pretty well accepted that straight cases are a little more accurate than belted cases too, but i ain't a good enough shot to get into that kind of accuracy anyway. i'm just as bad with belted or straight. seems like in the past little while it's been the fad to make a big case and then neck it to half a dozen different calibers and then try to make each one accurate. like the short mag and super short mag experiment. there are some decent cartridges that came from the experiment, but most of them aren't as speedy as the one they're trying ot compete with and a lot of them are on their death bed now. and the supershorts were originally chambered in actions that weren't designed to handle the fat stubby cases worth a darn. one of the things that really jumped out at me with the lazzeroni's that i've had the opportunity to tinker with is how the rifle is built to match the cartridge and how well the action cycles and cartridges feed. the shorter, fatter case feeds a lot easier than the big belted cases and it has more potential to build pressure and speed with similar powder loads. from what i've read the warbird and the .30/.378 have near identical case capacities, but the warbird is always going to be speedier because of the better cartridge design. you come up with a good thing there. maybe one o' these days i'll get bored with what i have and get me one. Lark.

i've tried pig at least 2 dozen ways and i still ain't got the after taste out from the last time and that was about 10 years ago. i'll take your word for it and let you have it all yourself. they just don't agree with me. i get a tag and go every year, but never shoot one. i keep the fire goin' and maybe shoot a coyote or 2 while my kids do all the huntin'. i might try to shoot one this year with my new 1000 yard rifle, just to see if i can make the shot, but i hafta somebody to give it to first, cuz i ain't eatin' one. baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarf. Lark.

ok now, a 300 ultra is almost as fast as a 300 weatherby? my son has an ultra and it runs off and leaves a 300 weatherby. by several hunnerd fps. are you talking about a 30/378? i tinkered with a warbird a bunch a few years ago. a friend has one. it was neat to shoot, but dang the rifle was heavy. it was a lazzeroni rifle with the twisty looking bolt. took for ever to fill that case with powder. about had to put it in with a shovel. i liked the case being shorter and fatter than that big long .460 case the weatherby's use. thought a lot about getting a warbird some years back, but the weight of the rifle was more than i wanted to lug around. looked at the sako that they chambered in it, but felt the barrel was too short to get the kinda performance that cartridge will develop. to me, the warbird and the lazzeroni setup was what really got long range shooting off and running. all the sudden there was a some real hotrod cartridges and the info to use em out there for everyone to get ahold of. now that they make these carbon wound barrels maybe i oughta look at a warbird again. Lark.

c'mon guys, i was just doin' a little chain yankin' while i was watchin' 'bama and texas. i can read his name. welcome to the site. Lark.

sounds to me like all you guys oughta shoot at pigs when they are inline with you and maybe they'll spin into the arrow instead of away from it. must be a breed of super pig with special skills. if i get serious about gettin' a pig i just sneak up and grab em by the hing leg and spin em around until they get real dizzy and turn em loose and watch em run in circles backwards until they barf. maybe you guys are tryin' to shoot pigs i already educated? Lark.

so why is this lazzinc guy all the sudden the authority on warbirds? i've always liked 165's in .308 cal, as long as the twist is right. and we all know i'm the smartest guy around. Lark.

could any of em talk? mighta just been bullwidgeon. if not, i'd keep after that bunch. anything that increases chance of failure on a javelina is a good thing. might even try usin' them suction cup arrows or maybe just not take arrows. ninja pigs? sheesh, everbuddy knows that turtles are the only ninjas of the aminal world. lark.

good job boys. Lark.