308Nut

I prefer the Sendero contour fluted. Great balance of weight, rigidity. One of the main reason is because I go through barrels like socks and they're often readily available. Also I enjoy new stocks in different models and colors. Again, they're often times readily available inleted for Sendero.

Thanks guys for your interest. We are waiting for a response from the ATF regarding a manufacturers FFL before we can sell anything. Also the 180 gr bullet should be stable out of a 1:10 twist barrel down to an ambient temp of 20F. At temperatures below this the stability factor goes below 1.3. Would be happy to send you some bullets as soon as we settle the FFL issue. The bullets are solids intended for target shooting. You could shoot Coyotes, Prairie Dogs or Pigs for fun. They are not expanding bullets. I have a solution to the ATF issue. Just send 50 as a gift. Free evaluations never hurt. M

It's typically due to at least one of several things and often a combination. It's often times a change in friction due to less bearing surface, copper jacket alloy properties and lead properties.

Shoulder mount or European or cap? Either way, pretty buck. Good job! M

Negative. I'm using .650G1 to a grand and it's spot on at mid ranges. Litz says .651G1 so I think there's something to it. Double chronies also showed that they were close to the 208 amax side by side. Cuz, you're welcome. Hope they shoot well for you! M

nra, where can I buy some? I'd like to do an objective evaluation of these.

Broke weak my a$$ that's a buck of a lifetime and I'm pretty sure there is a measurement or two you're missing. Even if he is 'only' 107", he's a stud and a half. You definitely made the right choice.

Yawzer that's a hot cartridge. I'm thinking minimum RL25 but 33 and RL50 are probably more appropriate as is H50BMG. That much powder down that small of a hole will need the slowest possible powder. I hate to be the kill joy of the bunch but I think 500 rounds of good consistent barrel performance is a bit optimistic. It'll be fun and cool for sure though!

You can't safely get enough of the best 2 or 3 powder types for the 6.5-284 in the case to necessitate seating them way out there for max case capacity. I've ran it on a short action modified with the Wyatt box with superb results but I also had a reamer built to put the 140s on the lands at the shorter COAL. Using 140s, you're only safely going to get 51-53, maybe 54 grains of H4831 and 47-51 of H4350 (depending on rifle tolerances) in a case that can hold 59 grains of them. May as well not be afraid to seat them further down and use them in a SA/Wyatt box. If you want to use and maximize RETUMBO or similar, then you'll need a long action. Just my .02

I'm confused when people keep bringing up the 308 Winchester versus the 7mm Rem mag in this thread. I was under the impression that this thread was .308 'caliber' (bore and bullet dimensions) versus 7mm caliber (.284). Maybe I'm off base but...

I can actually agree with this 100%. Maybe a first?? Just kidding! I'm looking forward to getting back into a 6.5 one of these days but it sure as heck won't be a 6.5-284. My least favorate 6.5 as well, though anything larger is even worse. The 6.5-284 can be improved though...it's called dropping the 6.5 and leaving it as the original 284. Anyway, enough of the rant. I will likely keep it simple and just go 260 rem. There's a reason I haven't sold my plethora of 6.5 bullets. VLDs, amaxs, accubonds, SSTs etc... Sweet looking cartridge and I hope you keep us posted. M

Nice! The amax is one of my favorate bullets period. Even for hunting thin skinned game. Thanks for sharing, M

Have you tried time of flight tests or double chronograph tests?

We look forward to the coming weeks when your friend receives his instruments for BC evaluation. Keep us posted!

Are you saying the 170 grain bullet is a 30 caliber bullet with a 'calculated' BC of .6? Or a 7mm 170 grain? Physics dictate that it is impossible to have a 30 call bullet weighing 170 grains that would have a .6 BC. Especially an all copper bullet that has a specific gravity of 8.89 versus a jacketed lead bullet which is 10.7. I have some 177 grain all copper bullets shaped very similar to the 208 amax and firing tests showed the BC to be around .514G1. Is your friend's method of calculating BC mathematical or through firing tests?

Less powder, less recoil and less bolt throw. That said the WM has a slight performance advantage over the WSM if built on a long action but not much and has a large performance advantage over the WSM if the WSM is built on a short action. They're both great and it's hard to go wrong with either. M

For backcountry elk hunts where weight is a concern, 300 win running 210ABLRs at 2664'sec. For hiking a mile from the truck to a glassing spot elk hunt where weight isn't a concern, 308 win running 210ABLRs at 2601'sec. I had been undecided on a bullet for elk but after using the 210 this year on a large bodied bull, I'll stick with them. It's hard to judge a bullet based on one experience but I was more than happy with the results from round 1 so I'm willing to use them again for round 2. If I ever even draw another rifle bull tag again...

Don't forget two bucks in 2009!! One at 442 and one at 501 with the amax.

You say your accuracy goes to crap. Can you elaborate? You're use to .25 MOA and .75 MOA can seem like crap after being spoiled. Most bullet weights won't hit the same poi as other loads. This is normal. I've had very inconsistent results with most 'match' bullets so I am a fan of 'hunting' bullets. The exception is the AMAX. Their labeled as match bullets and indeed they are scary consistent and accurate. Their reloading manual had stated in the past that they're suitable for thin skinned game such as deer. I've found that to be very true. If you can reload, I recommend tuning loads to your rifle. If not, try more options. 'Match ammo' makers have making 308 match ammo down to a fine science. Hunting ammo not so much. I'd start with hornady 168 and 178 match ammo. By that I mean their standard match and not 'superformance'.

That's with retumbo. H50 should not show pressure at 71 grains. Nor will you get the same velocity until you add more than 71 H50.

It's worth a try. Start with 1#. If it doesn't work, you're only out less than 40 bucks and a trip or two to the range. I think there's more case capacity than 71 grains in the LRM case. Sounds like you need to try it. Like you said, it seems like it's always available.

I've used it in a custom 300RUM with great results. I tried it in a 338 edge with poor results. Heck I packed 85 grains in my 300 win under a 210ablr. It ran 2750'sec and the recoil was REALLY stout. I never pursued it after that.

The best post! At least the OP had the stones to admit he screwed up a shot. I think almost anybody who has actually hunted and hunted for several years has made bad shots or shots that were rushed, missed or even had a wounded loss. Most will never admit it. I applaud anybody that does. I did some of the most piss poor shooting this year at my elk. In the end, I hit him a little off my point of aim but still dropped him where he stood. The wind was worse that I had judged in not only speed but how it was being funneled in different areas by the lay of the land. I didn't have the time to set up calmly and really analyze the wind. The bulls caught our scent and came boiling out of the timber headed for the horizon. With the bull of my dreams with in my comfortable range, I laid down, ranged him, dialed, gave my best guess on the wind on the fly, held off using the mil marks and let her rip. I missed clean. My guide would call the range and his best guess on the wind. This went on for a few shots until my guide saw where I hit. He stopped at 598, I readjusted for the wind based on my guides response and dropped him with the next shot. Was it a questionable shooting opportunity? At my first assessment of the situation, I didn't think so. In hind sight, I believe so. Why did I continue to shoot? I guess because a shot was taken and I hate giving up on anything. The bull I wanted was in front of me, I was already set up and it's human frickin nature to keep shooting until you hit your target. Right or wrong, it was the heat of the moment and it all happened so fast. I wasn't in the 'let's reason this out' mode where common sense would have said it was time to let it go and was full throttle shoot mode focused on the task at hand. Like az_shooter said "Don't let anybody tell you how to eat your pie, it's yours, dig in".

Lapping both rings together also helps ensure they are alined properly. If they're not alined, it will induce stress on the scope and action. I like to lap for two reasons. 1: even surface area for maximum grip. Less risk of slippage. 2: stress free mounting.

Never used the 150 game kings but use to run the 150 BT over varget. Had pretty good results but moved away from 150's all together because they don't have a high enough BC to reach the 1000 yard mark supersonic, nor are they forgiving in the wind. At least not at my altitude. That said, if you're a 400 yard shooter/hunter, it'll make little difference in average conditions. I was running 49 grains in a lapua case and it was a very hot load. 3 or so firings and the primer pockets were shot. I was getting 3100'sec in a 26" 12x barrel. Eventually I moved on to the 155 grain variety but now use 185-215s for minimal windage and maximum energy.