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So, now OBummer controls math? Where do you get this? My math thinks that AZGFD performs a quality job based on the per resident cost. I don't know what you think about ~$125 vs ~$16. Personally, for the same service, I will always pay the $16. Maybe you will do differently.

You may try to BS everyone on here by trying to fast talk and try and smooth things out making people believe everything is A OK. Comparing a gooberment agency to FREE ENTERPRISE. Come on really??? Maybe you need to brush up on economics. Take care, Willie LOL. I quoted simple economics and have given you actual NUMBERS per person for the cost of wildlife management (they are estimates from what I could gather from quick google searches, I admit that). What have you and others complaining offered the discussion? Baseless opinions and complaining...to the point where everyone throws up their hands and says, "if you think the G&F listens you are wrong...SO I QUIT GOING." Don't have an active participation in YOUR govenment, then don't complain. The founding fathers realized that government REQUIRES THE ACTUAL PARTICIPATION OF THE GOVERNED. That is how we ended up with the US Constitution. And, yes, I do suggest the AZGFD should be run like an actual business. Personally, I'm all for privatization of government services...but that is a different discussion.

More numbers. If Arizona actually spent the same amount of dollars per resident as Wyoming, then the AZGFD budget would be approximately $810,313,125 per year. In FY 2013, the Governor signed an $8.6 billon dollar budget. If AZGFD recive as much per person as Wyoming, then the AZGFD budget would be approximately 9.4% OF THE ENTIRE STATE BUDGET. Please.

Ok, I will run with that as well. Give me a minute. Let's assume that Wyoming has a population that ALL hunts (If you don't assume this, then the ~$124 per person is going to rise in price very quickly). I will be back. Alright, I'm back. Here are some numbers. If you assume that the entire Wyoming population hunts and it is approximately $125 per person to manage the wildlife in the state. Then, to reach the same amount of hunters served in ariziona at $125 per hunter, then the AZGFD only serves 832,000 persons with their budget. Looking at this a little differently, AZGFD would then only serve approximately 12.8% of the AZ population. However, this a specious argument as the AZGFD not only serves hunters, but fishermen, shooters, and any person who actually uses outdoor and wildlife resources in the state...and is also a law enforcement agency.

Here is some good advice. Post less, study more. http://www.azgfd.gov/inside_azgfd/funds.shtml AZGFD $104 million FY 2010 (requested) http://wyofile.com/dustin/sportsmen-cuts-to-game-and-fish-threaten-wyomings-wildlife-tourism-economy/ Article says Wyoming is about $71 million and article was printed in 2013. (Very QUICK Google search) So, back to populations. AZGFD serves a resident populations of 6,482,505 - Jul 2011 Source: U.S. Census Bureau While Wyoming serves a resident population of 568,158 - Jul 2011 Source: U.S. Census Bureau So some simple math tells us that AZ spends $16.04 per resident managing "the same amount of wildlife." While Wyoming spends...wait for it...$124.97 per resident. So, what was your argument exactly? Seems AZGFD is fairly efficient serving a VERY large population when you actually look at the numbers. Also, take into account that serving such a large number of consituents costs MORE. IE, the website has to have more access to servers to support all the last minute people (resident and non-resident) who apply just before the deadline, then complain when the website is overloaded and crashes. If you have real arguments based on facts and numbers, please respond. If you just continue to respond with baseless opinions, please heed my advice. Post less, study more.

I will explain how it works. Simple supply and demand. If there is a finite supply of a resource and a very high demand, then in a free market the price goes up. Look at this link for some economic basics: http://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/newSTR_69.htm Additionally, the numbers comparing other western states are misleading. The population of Wyoming that has "just as much wildlife to manage" as Arizona is approximately 568,158 (July 2011, US Census Bureau). Compare that to the population of Tucson being 525,796 (July 2011, US Census Bureau). Now, where do you think there is more resident demand? The numbers actually indicate that our prices could be MUCH higher, yet, AZGFD raised prices for the first time in years this last year. Hope this helps.

Going to those meetings can and does have an effect on policy. Just look at an extension granted during javelina season that was brought up and eventually passed by the G&F. Some actually discuss the real issues while others just like to complain.

Deserttac See my previous post. He enjoys stirring the pot without facts on his side.

El Nene...but im going to try some of the suggestions on this thread! Thanks all!

Here we go again...

I'm pretty sure I will be at conferences during the rifle tags. San diego and Salt Lake...

Andrew, It was great to see this! I'm glad that you had a good time and enjoyed the hunt. I definitely had a great time stalking the bucks with you. Still see those bucks we were sitting on in my dreams! It was an honor to be there when you took the shot! I'm sure I had almost as much fun as you did! Good luck on your javelina hunt with John! I wish I was going on that too!

Keeo us updated guys. Sent oms to those of you who contacted me.

Congrats to all involved!

Dang! Always too late with my toyhauler trade! Congrats on the sale.

Wish I had known...my fault. I will definitely be watching this unit closely regarding the crossings. If the Utah hunters get to hunt six areas where the deer cross, you can bet it will reduce the quality of the Az hunt.

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Pm me. Just got back

I wasn't happy this happened this year...picked this hunt for the gf because we would see lots of deer and it would keep her entertained...exact opposite See more muleys in southern az IMHO it is going to take the deer a couple years to figure out the crossing points. But those points will be heavily hunted by Utah hunters. Think about it, only six pi ints where deer cross...grab you cooler and sit and watch the bucks pass by... Will be interesting to see what happens.

Anyone who has the muzzy or late rifle hunt can pm me. I will tell you all I saw. We missed a great buck due to scope problems that I'm just sick about....gfs first deer hunt.

And yes, lots of Utah hunters on the fence line.

No pics but I saw it. Just got done with the early hunt up there. It is tall and has succeeded in its intended purpose. Deer were trying to figure it out when we were driving the highway.

Congrats!

Good to go...saying transaction went smoothly and people can deal with you with confidence in the future! And you got my scope!

Good luck!