creed

You have the 2014 tag or license? If you want the OTC tag before Jan you have to drive to the office to get one. They may have them the last week of Dec or they may not.

Any of you unit 42 deer hunters know what is going on at the south end of the Vultures near the Black Butte? I was up there today looking around for the muzzy hunt. They are setting up some kind of construction office and are pushing a road right through my deer hunting camp. There is a well rig and another road to the north of there a mile or so about a half mile from a G&F drinker and survey stakes over maybe 4-6 square miles. I have been hunting that area since the 70's and it is hard to see it

Donnie, I have exchanged emails with a person that should know that suspects it may be part of either a new mine or the expansion of an existing mine. The existing mine in that area has shut down access across the mountains and I am afraid that will be the case now. If the current trend holds there will be loss of access through the area and because of perceived dangers from firearms this whole area will be closed down to the public. My orginal thoughts were that it would cover a 4-5 square mile area but after more thought the number of survey stakes could mean nearly double that. It makes me sick to see it but obviously it is going to happen and happen soon.

OK, went up to the Carefree office and bought a 2014 deer and lion tag. It was pretty painless. They were helping a couple of other guys at the booths and one customer service rep was waiting for me There still should be a better way of handling things than this. I am not a big bitcher when it comes to the Dept but it sucks to drive 80 miles one way to get a deer tag.

Just curious about the left over pig tags........do you have to fill out an application and take it in or do you just tell them what hunt number you want?

Start over again with everything centered. If you can't get it to come together and the groups are nice and tight sight it in with broadheads and go hunting. I have walk back tuned my bows for years and have great groups. My most accurate bow NEVER would group broadheads and field points to the same POI regardless of what I tried. I am sure it was a spine issue since I shot the same arrow spine since I had started archery. I own multiple bows and all of them needed a .340 arrow spine and I was reluctant to buy a dozen arrows for this one bow. Just out of curiousity what kind of cams does this bow have. If it is a 2 cam have you checked timing? Sometimes we get so hung up on something like this that it takes away the fun of archery. Sight it in and go have some fun and quit worrying about it.

Let's hope he can't pull it off but I wouldn't put anything past this bunch. They are Marxist/Communists and will try most anything to further their agenda. They are above the law and he writes executive orders anytime he can't get what he wants. The only possible thing that may slow them down is the mid-term elections and I doubt that will happen. Between voter fraud and stupidity on the American people's end of it I wouldn't hold my breath that there will be much change in the balance of power. If we are not yet past the point of no return we are not far from it IMO.

Some of these guys, AzSlim, ruthunter, donniedent know what they are talking about. They are all pretty fair desert mule deer hunters. They have been there. I would add this........If you are hunting alone the flats will drive you nuts. I would suggest finding rolling hill country with a good permanent water source. I hunt alone more often than not and unless I have a partner don't spend much time hunting flats.

Recently Carbon Express quality has taken a dump. A good friend just had 5 out of 24 Maxima Hunters spin true. Haven't had any issues with Victory's being fragile but I shoot the V1's and they are a heavier wall arrow than the VAP's. But I am dying to get a dozen VAP's. I have heard lots of good things about them. There are many quality arrows out there. The ACC's are one of the best. Don't really see how you can go wrong with top end Carbon Express, Easton, Goldtip or Victory.

That's kind of like asking what is the best truck, Dodge, Ford or Chevy. You are going to get a lot of different answers. I have shot just about all of the top of the line arrows out there at one time or another. Right now I am shooting Carbon Express Maxima Reds. They are a great arrow. When I have lost or busted them and need another dozen it will be Victory. You are going to be hard pressed to beat Victory arrows for an all around arrow. When you look at the price for the quality you get there is nothing out there that will beat them.

This should be an idication of what our government thinks of us. http://twitchy.com/2013/10/03/screwed-confirmed-dont-miss-hilarious-national-obamacare-phone-number-pic/

I am not going to go into a Biblical rant but I think many of us know where we are headed. I am ready. I was born to a farming family and have lived in the country all of my life. You prepare for the bad times because you know they are coming. Not to is just bad judgement or a head in the sand mentality. Gold and silver coin is frowned upon by most financial advisors but it will be worth something when paper is not. Freeze dried food will last for many years and bottled water is cheap. Other things to stay ready, gasoline, gear to live in the outdoors if needed, guns and ammo. Lee loaders work great for emergency reloading because you can sit in the floor and load ammo without a press. I think most of us that hunt and fish are more or less prepared if for no other reason but because of our love for the outdoors. I believe that time grows short. This world or society cannot continue on the course it is on without a major blowout.

How could it be when you would have a couple thousand less people putting in? There used to be a wait period and they did away with it. It did nothing to significantly change the draw odds. If you take 50 people out of an early rifle bull applicant pool that has 2500 people applying for it that is not going to change the odds much at all.

I have been a proponent of stratifying hunts for a long time. Split them up. I got in from 5BS last night. It was a good hunt and I was into elk all the time but had several occasions where I either inadvertently busted into someone else's set up or they into mine. Some spots had guys crawling all over them. I could get away from the crowds but had to get into some areas that I wasn't that familiar with and had fewer elk. In many ways the quality of the hunt would increase with fewer hunters. Another issue that I ran into was the Forest Service and their stupid 30 foot camping rule. Nearly all the spots were taken a week before the season, some spots even longer. If they should ever decide to actively enforce this a stratified hunt would help.

Anyone ever use them in the mud? I don't know much about them since I am a desert native. I have a set for 16" tires but have since bought another pickup since the last time I used them. Can you squeeze a set of 16's on 17's? As much as it is raining I am starting to think chains are going to be the only way I am going to get back in where I want to be. I am loaded up and ready to go!

I dug these chains out but have one more question......what do you guys do for tensioners? I can get them pulled up but I don't think they will stay.

Thanks for the advice guys. I am going to go drag the chains out of storage and see if they will fit my tire size. If they don't does anyone know where they can be purchased in the Valley or is that not going to happen? It's not like we have a snow problem here in September or any other month for that matter.

Where you at this year? I am headed up to 5A this weekend to help some friends. What part of the unit are you staying in? I don't know yet. It depends on the road conditions. I am hauling my tent trailer and a Rhino in the back of my truck. I have a couple of spots picked out, one on the east side near the junction of the 82/704 Rds. and the other off of the 93 Rd near Willow Valley. If my girlfriend wasn't coming up next Sunday for a week I would take a tent and camp where I wanted to hunt but she likes some of the comforts of a camper.

Where you at this year? Hunting in 5BS.

I am about half loaded. Have some minor work to do on the pickup, finishing up hunting clothes, have dry goods loaded and my bow is pretty much dialed in. Plan on spending the full 2 weeks if I have to. And don't forget raingear. NWS is calling for another tropical wave to move into the state next week

She'll be elected by dirty politics and voter fraud. Same way Obama got elected.

I have been using a Bowmaster for years. I have changed out many sets of strings and cables on my Hoyt bows. They have their limitations but have been adequate. If you have split limb bows you need to get adapters.

You need to be careful on the powders and use a black powder or black powder substitute. Smokeless powders are not legal. I was unsure of this and asked a WM friend about it. That is what he told me. R12-4-301 Muzzleloading rifle” means a firearm intended to be fired from the shoulder, incapable of firing fixed ammunition, having a single barrel and single chamber, and loaded through the muzzle with black powder or synthetic black powder and a single projectile.

I'll leave the coues to you guys. I am a die hard desert muley hunter. But I'm telling you, I have seen pics of those little deer that look like eastern whitetail in this hunt #.

I have seen trailcam pics of coues in some of the units this hunt covers that would mess with your mind