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How could it be when you would have a couple thousand less people putting in? There used to be a wait period and they did away with it. It did nothing to significantly change the draw odds. If you take 50 people out of an early rifle bull applicant pool that has 2500 people applying for it that is not going to change the odds much at all.

I have been a proponent of stratifying hunts for a long time. Split them up. I got in from 5BS last night. It was a good hunt and I was into elk all the time but had several occasions where I either inadvertently busted into someone else's set up or they into mine. Some spots had guys crawling all over them. I could get away from the crowds but had to get into some areas that I wasn't that familiar with and had fewer elk. In many ways the quality of the hunt would increase with fewer hunters. Another issue that I ran into was the Forest Service and their stupid 30 foot camping rule. Nearly all the spots were taken a week before the season, some spots even longer. If they should ever decide to actively enforce this a stratified hunt would help.

Anyone ever use them in the mud? I don't know much about them since I am a desert native. I have a set for 16" tires but have since bought another pickup since the last time I used them. Can you squeeze a set of 16's on 17's? As much as it is raining I am starting to think chains are going to be the only way I am going to get back in where I want to be. I am loaded up and ready to go!

I dug these chains out but have one more question......what do you guys do for tensioners? I can get them pulled up but I don't think they will stay.

Thanks for the advice guys. I am going to go drag the chains out of storage and see if they will fit my tire size. If they don't does anyone know where they can be purchased in the Valley or is that not going to happen? It's not like we have a snow problem here in September or any other month for that matter.

Where you at this year? I am headed up to 5A this weekend to help some friends. What part of the unit are you staying in? I don't know yet. It depends on the road conditions. I am hauling my tent trailer and a Rhino in the back of my truck. I have a couple of spots picked out, one on the east side near the junction of the 82/704 Rds. and the other off of the 93 Rd near Willow Valley. If my girlfriend wasn't coming up next Sunday for a week I would take a tent and camp where I wanted to hunt but she likes some of the comforts of a camper.

Where you at this year? Hunting in 5BS.

I am about half loaded. Have some minor work to do on the pickup, finishing up hunting clothes, have dry goods loaded and my bow is pretty much dialed in. Plan on spending the full 2 weeks if I have to. And don't forget raingear. NWS is calling for another tropical wave to move into the state next week

She'll be elected by dirty politics and voter fraud. Same way Obama got elected.

I have been using a Bowmaster for years. I have changed out many sets of strings and cables on my Hoyt bows. They have their limitations but have been adequate. If you have split limb bows you need to get adapters.

You need to be careful on the powders and use a black powder or black powder substitute. Smokeless powders are not legal. I was unsure of this and asked a WM friend about it. That is what he told me. R12-4-301 Muzzleloading rifle” means a firearm intended to be fired from the shoulder, incapable of firing fixed ammunition, having a single barrel and single chamber, and loaded through the muzzle with black powder or synthetic black powder and a single projectile.

I'll leave the coues to you guys. I am a die hard desert muley hunter. But I'm telling you, I have seen pics of those little deer that look like eastern whitetail in this hunt #.

I have seen trailcam pics of coues in some of the units this hunt covers that would mess with your mind

I've got it. It is the only hunt I have applied for in nearly 20 years.

I have the early archery bull tag. I've hunted the unit before and my experience is that you can pick a spot and elk will be there. You can't go wrong. Check out the AZGFD "where to hunt" section. Lots of good stuff therel http://www.azgfd.gov/h_f/hunting_units_5b.shtml

I've been hitting moderate weights 2-3 times a week for the last 6 years on a pretty regular schedule. I had plantar fasciitis and had to back out of the cardio for a couple of years but got that straightened out, kind of. I have thrown stationary bike and a treadmill in to get the cardio going. My workout schedule keeps me busy 5-6 days a week except during hunting season. You younger guys better enjoy how easy it is to get and stay hunting fit. It is a bitch getting old

I don't know if it has changed but you needed a 90% disability in one arm a few years back when my ex-wife applied for one. You have to get the form from G&F and have your doctor fill it out.

Dec desert muzzy hunt. Girlfriend drew 42 general. With an archery bull tag and her with a general cow tag it is going to be a fun hunting season.

The regs say on page 20 that they will start accepting applications for leftovers on July 22nd so the results should be out this week.

I did. I couldn't stand it. Drew a late muzzy tag.

Anyone put in with a Cabela's card? They run a couple of days behind but if I take my current charges and run it against my available credit there is a $35 difference. They have rounded the numbers off on the available credit. Just curious if that means anything or maybe I drew that late muzzy hunt?

My dad's was Chase.

My dad had the loyalty and hunter ed points for a 40something general hunt

No BS. My dad just got a hit too.

How about someone coming up with an app identifying this idiot as a pedophile? That would make some of these morons think twice about coming up with some of this junk. http://freepatriot.org/2013/07/09/new-android-app-allows-everyone-to-see-who-is-a-gun-owner-in-their-neighborhood/