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That would be great. Thanks for the offer. I'll PM you next time I am planning a shoot to see if you are available. Thanks again.

Whoops ... East Valley ... Mesa/Gilbert border. Sorry about that ...

Lark hit the nail on the head with this ... but to be honest I am a Winchester guy so I am biased.

A lot of good advice in this ...

Cabela's has a great sale on them this weekend. Savage with a scope. A couple of models. Bought my son a Savage at Bass Pro 2 weeks back and get a smokin' deal ... 17HMR ... that thing is a LASER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Has the Accutrigger too.

Wow ... those are some nice ones Coues N' Sheep. We know we are in for a lot of work to get something big ... and at the end of the day if it happens it happens. We love the "doing" as much or more than the "getting" ... though looking at a nice one on the wall sure makes the effort all the sweeter. I don't think we'll be hiring a guide this time around ... I know that would definitely exponentially increase our odds, but for us (like for many right now), times are a little leaner, and we are tightening down the belts trying to find that last notch. Would if we could ... that Powerball just isn't cooperating much (AT ALL!!!). I sure do appreciate all of the good information!!! Thanks guys. Good luck to all of you with tags on filling them ... and good luck to all that don't in getting out anyway and seeing some good ones that you might get a crack at next year!!!

My dad was drawn for the October (22-25) hunt for Bull in 6A ... so not the September Trophy Hunt, but still a good one. Being that he's turning 71 this year, and it's been 12 years since he was last drawn, this could be his last chance at a big bull. I hunted that unit years ago, and saw some big bulls out by Apache Maid, but have not hunted there much in recent years (due to the fact that I haven't been drawn for elk in 11 years now). Anyone got any hints where I can take Pop and get him a good one??? Any help would be appreciated.

PM Sent ... just saw price firm so disregard that part of it ... helps if I'd READ ...

I've seen a lot of people on this site rave about White Cloud in Glendale ... never used them myself, but lots of good press on this site. Also, I've had work done by Jake at Don's on McDowell (think that is more Scottsdale though). He does good work. I'd check some of the other threads for White Cloud if that is more in your neck of the woods. Kinda surprised there is no one at Avery like there is at Rio Salado (Accuracy Speaks).

That thread was both educational and entertaining ... thanks to Amanda for keeping it up so long and for the new forum. We should all learn something from this ... RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH ... there ... I said it 3 times so maybe I won't forget it ...

Bingo. Amnesty is his only real chance for re-election. NO-Bama is already working on using executive order to grant Amnesty if it can't get through Congress before we clean out in November. That article by Buchanan really hits the nail on the head ... where is a President like Ike when you need him??? Someone not afraid to do the right thing.

Yeah ... some of those roads can be murder on the treads, that is for sure. I was in 3C over the weekend scouting for my son's Jr. Cow Elk tag ... had a ton of rain. One of the roads we got on was so slick and bumpy that I thought I was going to lose my truck down into a stream bed. When we got through it I looked back at the boys and said "I think dad needs to pull over and change his shorts boys ..." , which got a pretty good laugh. If that unit is anything like it used to be, you'll have a blast on that Archery Hunt. My cousin got a really good bull out of there 6-7 years back, and he had his pick of several, all of which he said were huge. Good luck. Maybe we'll run into you out there scouting.

Great tag in a great unit. My locksmith got one close to 380" in there a few years back with a broken 5th (or was it 6th ... I don't remember). Two years ago, another guy I know got one in the lower 370's, and last year he went with a guy who got one in the 360's. They are out there. Coues 'n' Sheep ... what did "the Joker" score ... he looks FANTASTIC!!! Catclaw may be right ... that may be the best tag around.

12AW is a doosie alright. And the late hunt is great. Can't believe you drew it with no points Allen ... ever think of trying your hand at the lottery??? Good luck to all of you. Post pics of those Bucks when you get 'em.

Was kind of a joke Stanley I've always been a bit of a smart"A" ... just expected a few more posts on an area that has been pretty prolific for so many years. And believe me, I do appreciate the info. Boots on the ground is always a good idea. Have been reading up some on areas up closer to 11M and have heard of some huge bulls up there ... that would be up closer to the Mund's Park area. Makes some sense they would be up higher now ... hard to say in a couple of months, but a few trips up should help figure movement. Apache Maid is rough, and lots of pressure ... I just remember years ago when I had a cow tag there seeing some ENORMOUS Bulls ... even the Satellite Bulls were big. Given the nature of the terrain though, probably a last resort. Good luck to you KaibabHunter! Which hunt did you draw?

"shoot a long ways" ... that's it ... man, tough crowd ...

Yeah ... about half price ... that seems like a pretty decent deal.

I had one custom made for my son's rifle though David Van Horn (The Gun Shop) in Mesa. It works really well. I think he manufactures both break and thread protectors right there in his shop, so specifying the threads shouldn't be an issue I wouldn't think. 480-892-9630.

BOHNTR ... what did that cost? For sure if they will do that kind of package with you, it is worth doing ... as long as the price is right. No word back from my buddy yet on where he hunted. Still working on it.

I have 2 New Havens ... have not had a problem with them either. However, I did read in several articles where the QC was not as good in the bedding and so on. That could be true ... not sure. Both of mine shoot well enough stock, and I've got plans to spend some money customizing them in the near future. It is definitely a great action to start on. The Rem 700 is more popular due to its simplicity for sure, but if you're a Mauser type guy, its hard to make that move. As far as the new Winchesters made by FN go, I have heard nothing but rave reviews ... great QC, great trigger, etc. In fact, I was selling my Kimber 8400 in .300 Win Mag to buy a new Supergrade in .300 Win Mag. The Kimber shot well, but didn't seem as well built or reliable as my Winchester .30-06, and the only reason I got the Kimber was because Winchester was no longer making the M70. Then I stumbled on a M70 Classic Action in .300 RUM ... had to buy it. Something about a good CRF Action in that caliber really drew me in. I might end up regretting it, but I doubt it. The other one I'd look at is the CZ550. I have one in 22-250 and it is an absolute TACK DRIVER. Can't say I like the double set trigger, but the action is a "BULLET PROOF" Mauser style and it has been way better than MOA accuracy at the range. I'm with Lark on the .300WM vs .300WSM. In factory ammo they are about the same, but in handloading I think the .300WM has a pretty significant edge. Of course if you want weight reduction, the shorter action helps. But then I'd probably go to a .260 REM or 7-08 unless I planned on using it for elk. Good rounds with decent ballistics and light recoil. Might be on the light side for Bull Elk though???

I'll talk to a buddy of mine who went to that unit and did the guide thing last year ... maybe I can get some information out of him for you. He didn't get one, but the guide did put him on some 180 class bucks ... he just wanted bigger. One guy in the camp broke 200 on a nice buck. I'll let you know what I find out ... he's usually pretty willing to share information.

+1 for sure on the Spare Tires and Gas Cans, and you can add Tire Repair and Water Cans to that list too. Depending where you go in that unit it can be 2 hours (or close) on dirt until you get to a highway. Make sure everything is tied down well too ... never seen so much washboarding in all my life.

What a Thanksgiving that guy had that year ... Awesome Pic!!!

Research them both as much as you can. Nothing like buying a rifle off of a couple of positive magazine reviews and then finding out that the real life reviews of the gun aren't so great. There are a bunch of sites that have free forums where you will find reviews of both rifles. At the end of the day, you have to be confident that you made the right choice ... confidence usually translates into better shooting ... at least it does when there is nothing wrong with the firearm. Good luck.

Anyone know a gunsmith that can open a .30-06 Bolt Face for a Magnum ... it's a Winchester Classic, so is Controlled Round Feed. Anyone have an idea what that will cost?