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Yeah ... gotta agree that the locks just keep the honest people honest. Theives will take cameras locked or not. I would say that the Rancher was right in one regard ... if it is his private property, the guy mounting the camera SHOULD have asked first ... and an outfitter should know better. That said, the Rancher should stilll have returned the camera ... keeping it is theft in my mind. If you park your car off the side of the road on someone else's property, they don't have the right to take it ... same should go for a camera.

+1 on the rope. Guys that do this stuff really spoil it for everyone.

I've seen pics and some actual up close examples of several of the bucks taken out of 13A ... they probably WILL score that high green. Some of them looked like elk ... I kid you not. I spoke to a guy who spends a lot of time up there while I was on my hunt a couple weeks ago (a young guide), and he showed me trail cam pics of deer even larger (several) ... one he said they had estimated at close to 300" from sheds picked up last year. He's a nightmover though, and I guess thus far no one has caught a glimpse of him during the day, or so the guy told me. Fantastic year for antler growth all over the state ... it only makes sense that Kaibab and the Strip would kick out some monsters this year.

Nice job! Great to see fathers and sons out sharing the hunting experience.

Jeffro ... could you send me that information too ... I am shopping barrels and had considered these as well. Thanks.

That's a beauty ... nice lion, nice job on the mount!

Which I guess would be one of the main reasons Game and Fish stands behind it, right? Makes sense. The more I've gone over the arguments against it, the weaker they are. Thanks for the additional clarification Tony.

Oh yeah ... this looks REALLY GOOD. Nice job.

You can get Duracoat through either Brownells or Midway. Probably a bit sturdier than the Krylon. It is what Ruger supposedly uses on the metal for the 10/22 (under another name). I had a 10/22 Cerakoted (ceramic product that is also marketed under many names) by a guy who does both Duracoat and Cerakote in Glendale. He advertises on Backpage under the name A-Coatings or something like that. He did a really nice job. Also looked at some other stuff he did, and plan on having my Ruger .44 done in Cerakote as well ... very durable. That said, there is something to be said for the DIY stuff ... sense of pride and all. I'd be more inclined to try it on a piece that didn't cost me a bunch. May do my shotgun DIY someday if I get the bug.

Well I took a few minutes to go through this today, and I'm convinced that I should vote "YES". I read several opinions, one if which was a favorable opinion from someone pretty high up with Game and Fish. While granting more power to Legislature is never something I'd do lightly, this bill acts to cement CITIZEN RIGHTS, which I am ALWAYS in favor of. The arguments against were weak, and claimed that the amendment was a response to a "NON-EXISTANT THREAT" ... there is no such thing where the Sierra Club and similar organizations are concerned ... there is always a threat. I'm going to be OUT ON THE STUMP with everyone I know about this one.

If that is the case, I would definitely have no issues with it. As always, before voting, I'll have to read the full proposition so I'm fully informed of what I am voting on. Laws and legislation tend to be crafted in a tricky manner ... like tacking the government takeover of Student Loans onto the Health Bill (a Bill I hope will be overturned for MANY reasons), etc. A Bill or Proposition that eliminates the influence of Environmentalist Whackos on Wildlife Management would be a GREAT thing (they ought to add Forest Management too, as we all well know) ... as long as it doesn't put the power in the wrong hands. If your statement is correct, then I'd say they'll have a YES vote from me for sure. It always pays to research what you're voting on to make sure you know the full measure of the result ... to bad our Federal House and Senate members don't follow that ... what was it Queen Pelosi said ... "We have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it ..." or something to that effect. She wasn't just talking about the public there, but every single member of the US Congress that voted "YES" without reading the 2000+ pages of BS they were voting on. Thanks for the synopsis Tony. I was hoping I heard that wrong on KFYI. It does no such thing. In fact, it removes the threat of the "voters" doing anything. In effect, it does nothing to the way the wildlife is currently managed by the legislature in regards to the LAWS (Title 17) and by AZG&F in regards to the RULES, which is where the harvests, seasons, etc. come under. It has been this way for eons and nothing about that will change. What the amendment WILL DO is REMOVE the threat of the environmental and animal rights groups from putting initiatives on the ballots where the "voters" would decide how to manage wildlife, i.e. the ban on public land trapping, as an example.

Only thing that concerns me about this is something I heard on the radio (KFYI...so Conservative Talk Show) this morning. It takes the regulatory power out of the hands of Game & Fish, and their wildlife biologists, and puts it in the hands of the voters. Any changes would have to be voted upon. So harvest numbers, etc. would be voted on. If that is true, I have a couple of concerns ... #1 is that if voters become more liberal they could decrease harvest numbers to unhealty levels trying to "spare the poor animals", and #2 is that what the heck to voters know about healthy harvest numbers. Just some things to think about. It would be great to make it a Constitutional Right so that it cannot be threatened, but not so great to take the harvest numbers and subject them to voting. I need to do some more research on it.

Anyone have a good place to stretch out to 500 or 600 yards or so? Usery and Avery have membership and competition requirements. A couple of my buddies and I would like to find a good, safe location where we can practice at some longer ranges. The 300 yard range at Usery is fine, but we'd like to stretch it a little farther. Somewhere closer would be preferable, but on the rim is fine too. Thanks.

Okay ... I'm in the market for some 15x's and want to get the lowdown. I know Swaro's are great, but new are around $2300 or so. I can afford it, but obviously I want the best bang for the buck, and since I don't hunt or guide professionally, there are a lot of other things I can do with the extra cash. All that said, I'd like to get opinions on the 15x Kaibabs from Vortex, which I've read good reviews on. The 13x and 15X Minox products, which are less expensive than even the Kaibabs. The 15x45 Zeiss Conquest. Leica. Etc. Has anyone done a side by side by side in lower light conditions? Opinions of what you'd do in my shoes???

Well I don't know I would have had the "Stones" to take it that far, but that is CLASSIC!!! Courtesy is something we all should have, whether we are outfitters, guides, professional hunters, or just plain old sport hunters like me. I don't care who you are or how long you have been at this, as a hunter you should know the difference between what is right and what is wrong, and you should try to know the rules, written and unwritten. Plenty of times, I've picked a spot to hunt, gone in and found someone else beat me there (shame on me), and I've backed out quietly and gone to another spot. Sure, I put time in to find that spot, but so did that other person, even if they just stumbled on it through dumb luck. Heck ... I'm usually pretty good about not going in to a spot that is unoccupied but has a treestand or blind set up ... I figure they are taking a break and who am I to butt in. But that is just me. What is the point of getting into a fight? We're "Sportsmen" right? Now I'm not saying I'd back down if someone came into the area I was in and said "Get out ... this is ours" ... not at all. I'd probably have more than a few words about that. But I'd like to think most folks aren't like that. AZelkwrestler, I think you did it right. Approaching the guy in a non-confrontational manner set the right tone ... even if he didn't pick up on it right away. Sounds from your description like he was a bit shaken, maybe anticipating something ... imagine if you'd have jumped on his a$$ right away ... that could have been downright ugly. His initial response was wrong, but he thought better of it, which is good. Unfortunately, some folks (AZLance ... and no I am not picking on you, I'm saying you are right in your statement) here hit the nail on the head ... there are too many people out there that don't have the good ethical behaviour they should. I guess those folks have to be educated. Those that can will take the lesson to heart ... those that can't ... well the old saying goes "You just can't fix Stupid". They need to take up another sport ... bad attitudes and weapons don't mix.

Okay, so the AC was more than I thought it would be. OUCH!!! I ended up taking a flyer on the Minox after everyone said they were really great bang for the buck. I figure you can't go wrong with the deal Doug is giving. Thanks for the input. Maybe one of these days those SLC's will find their way into my pack ... would have been this year but for the AC disaster.

LMAO! That is a good one. Yeah, there is that for sure.

What can I say, except that you are a credit to hunters everywhere working that hard to find your animal. Makes me sick to hear guys give up after a few hours of looking. You did it right. You honored your animal, and yourself, with your efforts. And to all those guys out there who helped him, you are also a credit to the sport. With no obligation, other than your own sense of what is right, you pitched in and helped a fellow hunter find his prize. You guys are all GREAT!!! And congrats on your Bull ... you deserve it!!!

Wow ... I guess I'd have to agree with the folks that say shoot what you like. That said, I don't think 400's drop off trees, and for that matter, 380's don't either. 380 is a heck of a bull. I'd be ecstatic with that ... but that's me.

Well CRUD!!!!! I went and looked through them side by side ... the Swaro's are IT!!! Kaibab's were nice but didn't fit my face near as well. PROBLEM ... today the wife called and said the AC was acting funny ... had my sub go check it and it is OUT. Over a grand in repairs is the estimate. UGH!!! Murphy has struck at the most inopportune time. Have to think about this a bit. The Swaros were THE BOMB. Still not sure how the Minox would compare in side by side. Have to fix the AC ... but those Swaros are GREAT!!!!

Thanks for the input everyone. Checked out Outdoorsman today ... they have the Vortex and the Swaros, but not the Minox ... I guess they are discontinued from what the guy said. Cameraland NY said they are running out ... I guess they are blowing them out for $549. I just have trouble buying something I have not looked through. I need to go do a side by side at dusk at one of the places ... if there isn't much difference I sure like the Vortex price, given that I'm just a sport hunter and not a professional. Kinda like tools ... I'd buy Snap-On if I were a car mechanic, but since I'm not, the Kobalt Line at Lowes will due (yeah I know Snap-On makes them, but they aren't the same).

Good one! What unit?

Looks pretty decent to me ... nice work.

Definitely depends on the weather. Back in '07 I hunted this unit and the weather was very warm ... not as much action as I had hoped for, at least in the part of the unit I was in. They also were moving much more at night ... very little in the day unless you kicked them up (by day I mean early light and dusk). We'd wipe track clean at the end of the day and check it before the sun cracked ... deer had been there in the dark hours.

About 15 years or so ago, I was rifle hunting the Kaibab. Found a nice spot and decided to sit and watch for a while. Well, when you wake up at 4AM to go hunting, you get a bit tired ... so you guessed it, I dozed off. Not sure how much later (probably a while) I woke to hear hooves behind me. I turned my head in a kinda funny position and there were several deer behind me, one of which was a smallish buck (all of which I was looking at kinda upside down). Of course, I had no opportunity to do anything but watch as they bounced off after hearing me stir. I felt like a real dope, but looking back on it I have to smile when I think about it. Kinda similar to your experience BASS ... pretty cool to look back on.