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Okay ... I'm not asking for anything specific ... Both of my boys have drawn Bull Elk tags in 3A/3C in November. For any of you that hunted the unit already this year, how did it look? See a lot of good Bulls in there? Just trying to get a feel for what we are in for. Hunted Cow Elk in there a few years back, and saw several good Bulls, but year to year you just never know. Thanks.

How much for just the ruger?

Thanks all for the advice. I figured it would be a tough hunt that late ... hope we see some, but the best part will be getting out with my boys and my dad to enjoy some time in the great outdoors.

Sounds like someone should have their parenting license permanently revoked. The kid is just an uneducated kid ... the dad is a first-class dipstick. Survival tools are key. Without them, you can easily become a statistic. God bless you for getting involved. The world needs more people with those moral values.

If you are shooting elk and bear out to a grand, you need to be very mindful of velocity and energy of the round at that distance. .338 Lapua will do it. .338 Edge even better. You would probably also be fine with a .300 RUM or .300 WBY (I'd probably scrutinize these closely) and certainly with the behemoths of the .30's like the Lazzeroni and .30-378 WBY. Anything smaller ... not so sure. Yeah ... you will get some guy who shoots a 6.5x284 that says he can kill an elephant and 750 yards by hitting it in the eye ... but that is the exception, not the rule. Remember the goal is a 1 shot kill.

So I have seen guys say Warne, Talley, Burris. Talley and Burris are horizontally split. You can lap these (though I am understanding that lapping Burris Zee Rings is not necessary). How do you lap a vertically split ring like Warne? Do you really need to? I have been told by some that lapping is not as necessary with the new CNC type rings. Does everyone buy that? Not trying to hijack the thread ... but since we are talking rings ... it is good pertinent information to know.

Not a thing wrong with what you've done here. Units are pretty large in this state, and sometimes it is daunting to know where to start. I've helped guys before, asked for help before, and been glad to receive help when it was offered. I know nothing about 20C or I'd gladly give you some pointers. Some guys have forgotten that hunting is also about sharing experiences and knowledge. I don't expect guys to give up their honeyholes ... but sharing pointers is a part of the brotherhood (and sisterhood).

What are you shooting that far out?

Oh ... I'd say we'll shoot at the first 5X or bigger. Boys are young ... first bull doesn't need to be a monster ... just big enough to do a Euro on the wall at my Dad's place. We only have 4 days to hunt ... I don't want the boys missing more than 2 days of school. Call me a LAME A _ _, but at their age I think the education is a priority. They have a lot of years left to hunt God willing. Sounds like this year has been a good one so far.

To me it is absolutely amazing that the media libs can get into these positions to influence Presidential Debates. It is nearly CRIMINAL.

The Rules of Engagement instituted by this President and his administration are shameful. If he's elected for a Second Term THERE IS SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH THE PEOPLE WHO PUT HIM THERE. The soldiers of this Nation deserve better. They deserve to do the job they are there for without being put in harms way. They deserve help when they get home. Truly tragic. Sorry for your loss.

Is that a S&W 1066 or 1076?

You got part of that right ... but I think it is "He wants to destroy our Country". He's sure as heck tryin' pretty hard ...

Love my Winchesters, but only the CRF models. Good luck.

That is the Push Feed model, correct?

Loved the line about Campaign Donors getting $90 Billion for Green Energy .... AND TANKING. Just wished Romney would have asked about all of the Obamacare supporters that requested and were granted waivers on the plan. That would have spiked the football in a BIG WAY.

I like to call him "THE DEMANDER AND THIEF" ... I think it fits him and his policies perfectly.

I heard that Letterman devoted a good chunk of time to Romney bashing last night as well.......I don't watch that trash but you are right......people listen to that junk and drink the kool aide............ Yeah ... well Letterman is a fool. Just like the other 95% of the Entertainment Industry that is LIBERAL LEFT. Anyone hear about Jessica Alba, Natalie Portman and Scarlett Johansson "Pledging Allegance to Obama"? I've seen my last film with any of them in it. All FOOLS.

For the life of me, I can't understand the Liberal Mind. They all want a FREE RIDE. What if EVERYONE decided to be a LAZY A$$ and hit the Government up for a Free Ride ... there would be no economy ... there would be no production ... there would be no ANYTHING. Wake up dipsticks ... Communism/Socialism DOESN'T WORK. The biggest Commies in the world (China) are CAPITALISTS ... they are just a Government Class enslaving their people to work for nothing so those in that ruling class can reap the benefits. Starting to look like our Federal Goverment wants the same for us. Oh and by the way LIBERAL ENVIRONMENTALISTS ... THEY (the Chinese) ARE RUINING THE WORLD ECOSYSTEM WHILE PRODUCING THE PRODUCTS YOU CONSUME. Of course ... you don't care about that ... you just want restrictions on businesses HERE that drive costs up ... you can't see the Chinese air or rivers from your narrow window, so screw it right??? IDIOTS!!! Trump has the right idea ... tarriffs ... let's bring it back home. This country was founded on hard work, but it seems that the INDOCTRINATORS have spawned a whole generation of people looking for GOVERNMENT CHEESE. Those folks don't have the sense to know that such a system CANNOT SUSTAIN. And as the recipients of handouts, they will keep voting for those that support them. Sorry for the rant. I'm disgusted. Oh yeah ... and the LIBERAL MEDIA can go take a flying LEAP.

BDC is Bullet Drop Compensator (or Compensating). MOA is Minutes of Angle (1 MOA is 1.047" at 100 yards). If you know the ballistics of the round you are shooting, you can rotate the elevation dial on the scope from the known zero at 100 yards to a "zero" at the yardage of your target. It takes longer than a "holdover" on a BDC Reticle, but is probably more accurate. Some of the scopes will offer a "Ballistic Turret" that allows you to do this rotatioal zeroing much more expediently. That seems to be the trend of late.

Anyone have any experience with Sightron SIII Scopes. Looking at the LRMOA Scope with MOA-2 Reticle. Interested in experiences good, bad or otherwise.

Have a H&R Model 700 Semi Auto in .22WMR with a fixed 4X Scope. Gun is used, but appears in good condition (was my Uncle's). Like to get $325 for it.

Yep ... nothing like getting to that great camping spot you've picked out for your hunt only to find that some group of guys with a hunt in a couple of weeks have parked their trailers there, locked them up, and blocked the access in. Ran into that a couple of years ago on my son's Bull Elk hunt ... arrived early to our primary site during a downpour only to find it covered in unoccupied trailers ... when our secondary spot was in the same condition it was all I could do to keep my composure. I checked those sites several times during the hunt ... unoccupied for the whole week. If I'd have known when their hunt was, I'd have been temped to pay them a visit to discuss etiquitte. Probably a good thing I didn't know ......

If they are not paying attention to what is happening, they are as big a part of the problem as the SO CALLED MEDIA and the INDOCTRINATORS (people who pass themselves off as educators ... not all mind you ... you know who you are) in our educational system.

Unfortunately, I can't bring myself to laugh at them ... they are destroying the fabric of the Greatest Nation in History. I can't even listen to the "Demander and Thief" without my blood coming to a boil. The man is an absolute menace ... and the fact that there are so many people out there still willing to stand behind him makes it obvious that there is something severely wrong with the educational (or is it indoctrinational) system in this Nation. When my son was in the Fourth Grade, his OBVIOUSLY LIBERAL teacher taught that the First Amendment gives us the "right to free speech, just as long as what we say doesn't hurt anyone else's feelings." She also said the Second Amendment gives "people who have a license the right to own a firearm". And folks ... this is an ARIZONA SCHOOL. Imagine what they are teaching in California, Massachusetts, Illinois, and some of the other Left Wing Hot Beds. It is time for the people who love the foundation of this Nation to stand up and be heard. November is a start ... but we have to make that start count. If we don't get rid of "Dope and Change" we are ROYALLY SCREWED!!!!!