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i noticed this change of wording - lol http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/51leg/1r/bills/hb2013p.pdf

much to my surprise - stopped a wallyworld this 7 Am - guess what - remington 55 gr 223. 50 round box - $26 they had just unloaded 20 cases off the truck One case went home with me. so ya might want to check your local wally world for 223 - doubt it will last long have no idea if anyother stores got a shipment! the clerk asked - - your only buying one case? told him id buy more when the get some ASSULT rifles back in stock - lol

bpj --anyway to find the board mebers of azsfwc for 2013 - i didnt see that option on the website and i know you (were/are) on the board - i dont see any adjenda or recent updates to whats going on! just wondering

here ya go - hit the nail obn the head - what arethey doingtoprotect our children - DRUGS are the bottom line altering the state of mind Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public. Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded. Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event. Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac. Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft. Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days. Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment. Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others. A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school. Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded.. A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another. Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others. TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates. Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat. James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers. Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times. Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman. Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister. Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications. Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants. Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled. Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself. Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002. Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said ".... the dang doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil...") Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002, (Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.) Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage. Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet. Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill. Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms. A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased. Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and "other drugs for the conditions." Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine. Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system. Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide. Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone. Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his New York high school. Missing from list... 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds.... What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21...... killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24..... killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct Roberts is the only one that I haven't heard about being on drugs of some kind.

just so everyone here can be a watchdog- http://www.azleg.gov/Bills.asp i just click on the house or senate - all bills - cliclk on the bill nnumber - show versions - click on pdf for viewing or print out it also shows who sponored the bills etc. - when time- where the bill is being discussed kinda interesting to see what your local representatives are doing along with everyone else!

--- we need to have a watch full eye and are thankful the azsfw is gone forever - just have to make sure the little sister azsfwc doesnt have the same ambitions as the big brother had!! +100000 Its also very important that issues concerning hunters interest and the interests of Americans in reguards to Constitutional rights are watched and monitored - great job Archerycrazy and hope more people take an interest in what some groups might try to sneek thru !! we do know some politions can easily sponsor ill gotton bills!! thank you for your vigilance - KEEP IT UP BPJ i see you are stirring the pot " Sad to see you trying to stir a non existent pot. You should know as well as anyone that the AZSFW was disbanded and that all the money players have said goodbye to political ventures in AZ" seeing how most of the same people are still on the board of azsfwc we need to make sure they know we are watching and havent forgot - pretty sure they stated they had nothing to do with legislative issues-- is that what they still claim!!! watching and having concerns of legsilative bills that can affect hunters is a GOOD thing, along with many other items !!

now they've taken the shoot out of shooting- as simple as press a button and hold the trigger and the gun shoot itself- on target - no matter the range the anybody can be a sniper ! soon to be banned and outlawed !

picture takin just got a little more expensive

+1 i'm at a loss here - what makes you think the ballots are not sercret - the ballot isn't signed the envolope that holds the ballot is signed and the only reason is to know who actually voted - ! thats how our union holds vote - several volunters to watch the voting and counting. screw the obummer prick he wants to be emperor- he wants to know what everyone is doing - its not the unions fault- though i cant see why they supported the bum I've been a union member for 32 yrs - never seen a thug- yes our union endorsed obummer but I'm an American and vote the way i wanted - same goes for any vote we've ever had at our union . I did have a union person come around for the bummer vote - passed a flyer so I'd know who was running in the party and to see if i voted . I also had a democrat come around to see if i voted the party - i told him to pound sand - non his dang business union has been good to me all ny life - i dont live by any extravagatnt frills - no real high dollar pay - I know lots of non union guys that have better benifts aqnd pay that i do - i know that when i go to work i give a full days work for pay just like all of you . i cant get employed if i fail a drug test - how many non union companys have mandatory drug tests for employment ?/ i sure some do! every union compoany i go to work for does and do random tests all the time to keep a drug free safe working enviromnet. companies hire unions for their expeirince - how many companies you see offer pay by your skill - every dang one . the better your resume the better job you get the more pay the union is my resume - they call and ask for a specific person to do a specific job - thats what they get a trained indiviual sure theres a possability of thugs and dopers and alcohoics - in every business accross america , the majority of unions strive to be drug free- who says union workers can't get fired - i dont be little or talk down to someone doing the same job as myself- non union- heck if he works as hard as i do hes got just as much experience as myseLF-- operating engineers 428 - 32 yrs and proud of IT!

heres aprt of it! The following is a list, provided by the White House, of executive actions President Obama plans to take to address gun violence. 1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system. 2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system. 3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system. 4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks. 5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun. 6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers. 7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign. 8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission). 9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations. 10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement. 11. Nominate an ATF director. 12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations. 13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime. 14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence. 15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies. 16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes. 17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities. 18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers. 19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education. 20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover. 21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges. 22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations. 23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health. but we wont really know what will come out of this morons mouth or i mean what he will read

never really liked a rally!! what happens when ya get all the publicity and no one shows! I believe in our Constituion and our rights as Americans but it may do more harm than good !- what # makes a successful rally - i mean really - you'd expe\ct 100's of thousands to come and stand for what they believe , if you expect to make an impression - say only 5-10 thousand show - is that enough to impress anyone - if ya get less - do we look weak and people think no one really cares - what if less than 1000 show -

no exactly sure what they are changing but here are the gun related bills - http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/51leg/1r/bills/sb1049p.pdf http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/51leg/1r/bills/sb1050p.pdf

guess agin! http://www.azgfd.gov/h_f/biggame_species.shtml

Thanks Amanda - we should mention these agin - they were additions to unlawful methods of taking wildlife also A-3.Any lure, attractant, or cover scent containing any cervid urine. C,-Place any substance, device, or object in, on, or by any water source to prevent wildlife from using that water source.

the main problem I see is the wording and why they had to add these 2 items into law - A-3.Any lure, attractant, or cover scent containing any cervid urine. C,-Place any substance, device, or object in, on, or by any water source to prevent wildlife from using that water source no urine is simple to understand- though its BS "C" is way to open for interpitation than i like - it could mean anything and anywhere near water - BUT - not much is really gonna" prevent" animals from watering I really believe this was aimed at all the postings online the last couple of yrs. It's sad when they"the commission " let a few influence their decissions . Yes it was a done deal the moment it was put on paper! I agree 100% with " SHAME ON YOU COMMISSIONERS" especially your actions and temperment during the discussion!

HERE ARE THE 3 MAIN ISSUES THAT ARE RELATED TO HUNTING ELK- DEER- ANTELOPE ETC. if i read correctly this is the way the new law will read !!as taken of website revised R12-4-303 unlawfull methods, devices -- changes or addition --- A-3.Any lure, attractant, or cover scent containing any cervid urine. C,-Place any substance, device, or object in, on, or by any water source to prevent wildlife from using that water source. D-The use of edible or ingestible substances to aid in taking big game is unlawful when: 1. An individual places edible or ingestible substances for the purpose of attracting or taking big game. 2. An individual knowingly takes big game with the aid of edible or ingestible substances placed for the purpose of attracting wildlife to a specific location. 3. This subsection does not limit Department employees or Department agents in the performance of their official duties. 4. For the purposes of this subsection, edible or ingestible substances does not include: a. Water, b. Salt or salt-based materials produced and manufactured for the livestock industry, or c. Nutritional supplements produced and manufactured for the livestock industry and placed during the course of livestock or agricultural operations. DO NOT KNOW WHY THEY SLIPPED THIS ONE IN - NO URINE LURE PERIOD Cervid | noun, Zoology . any member of the deer family, Cervidae, comprising deer, caribou, elk, and moose, they do make articfical urine products!!- just no real doe in heat from live animal --

hope this helps a little heres part of the discription;; For the purposes of this rulemaking, the Commission considers bait to include any food-stuff or ingestible material that has been deposited, scattered, piled, or delivered by a passive or active feeder or feed delivery system so as to constitute an attractant, lure or enticement to wildlife and to influence the movement of these animals for the purpose of harvest by hunters. “Bait” does not include:■Water ■Salt or salt-based materials produced and manufactured for the livestock industry ■Nutritional supplements produced and manufactured for the livestock industry and placed during the course of livestock or agricultural operations ■Decoys ■Scent lures provided they do not contain cervid urine ■Chemical attractants provided they are not ingestible ■Food plots planted within accepted local or regional agricultural guidelines __________________

love the first post - is this a business or private sales !!??

cool-at least they were real coords you could use!

well- just checkin to see if that suggestion worked for the newbie?

shooter- to clarify your dilema forget he first #027 - means nothing for coords - the first 34* 11.104n 112* 49.644w a spot off 89road -at the datecreek rd exit the second 34* 12.717n 112*42.497 is east of yarnell- in the mountains- on a road and its a cluster of trees- most likly a spring these cords are set at degrees and decimal point setting - very common on gps but they can be changed easily if on google earth - go to tools- select options under long/latitude - you can change the settings then direct your arrow to the spot by using the coords at the bottom of screen if you need fuhter info let me know ! do any of hunt coords say piggy or deer spots - please feel free to share this info in a PM- lol thanks

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no waste of meat there - love the unicorn shots

So nice to live in Az- a cool 40* in Phoenix this morning- lots of new yrs evers makin noise last night- so much for a no burn night in phx (for fireplaces) i enjoy a fire as much as the next guy! but -- 100 times the pollution from fireworks - sorry to say - we'll never learn! Happy New Year to All - We need a good one

to never make anymore new year resolutions