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- heres the rest of the story -the real pisser - been happening for over 14 years and they knew about it!! even right here in AZ http://cnsnews.com/news/article/irs-sent-46378040-refunds-23994-unauthorized-aliens-1-atlanta-address

man that's one old trout - huge ole girl - very unique coloring - +1 on a molded mount painted to match- send lots of pics -if available easiest cheapest and last forever without cracking or fading- ( or sometimes smelling- lol ) back in the day - I use to do this for the boy scouts - using t-shirts instead of rice paper - so the could have a copy of the fish they caught and still eat them - lol make a fish print - just make a pile of sand /fine dirt to lay fish as flat as possible with the fins visible - clean/dry fish of water and then paint -fabric paint- - apply t/shirtand pat lightlightly and you get a good print of the fish it looks alittle bigger as the roundness of the fish to get all the fins - but the boys didn't mind - dated and even a hand print - was a cool way to show off their catch http://tlc.howstuffworks.com/family/fish-activities3.htm

I knew it was gonna rain - dang flies were bitin my legs outside yesterday afternoon - don't ask me why but i expect rain when the flies start bitin

Game and Fish Commission to meet June 14-15 in Payson Commission to consider draft hunting and fishing license structure/fees; proposed revisions to hunt guidelines; hunt orders for dove and band-tailed pigeons The next meeting of the Arizona Game and Fish Commission will be June 14-15 at the Mazatzal Hotel & Casino on Highway 87, Mile Marker 251, in Payson, Ariz. The meeting begins at 8 a.m. both days. One of the highlights of the Saturday, June 15 portion of the agenda will be consideration of a new draft hunting and fishing license structure and license/tag fees that will be taken to the public for comment. This will include discussion of the public input received on the license structure and fee concepts that have been presented at a recent series of public meetings. Other highlights on Saturday’s agenda include a briefing on the revised hunt guidelines and consideration of the hunt orders for dove, band-tailed pigeon and sandhill crane. The public is invited to either attend the meeting in person, view it live via video stream at any Game and Fish regional office, or view it over the web at www.azgfd.gov/commissioncam. Members of the public who wish to speak to the Commission may submit Speaker Cards (Blue Cards) in person at the meeting or from any regional Game and Fish office. The ability to speak to the Commission is not available for those viewing the webcast online. Items on the Friday, June 14 portion of the agenda include: A “Payson and Mogollon Rim Community Forum” to discuss current and future matters and collaborative work involving the Department and the local community (this item begins at 8 a.m. and will not be webcast). Topics of discussion on this item will include: Mogollon Streams Restoration Project (East Verde River, Tonto Creek, Christopher Creek, Haigler Creek and Canyon Creek). Mogollon Rim area Chiricahua Leopard Frog Project. Mogollon Rim area Rocky Mountain bighorn sheep (Mazatzal and heck’s Gate areas). Bear safety and bear-proof dumpster update. State Route 260 wildlife crosswalk and crossings. Tonto National Forest travel management (presented by Neil Bosworth, Tonto National Forest supervisor). Mogollon Sporting Association (dedicated to Rim Country’s youth and wildlife). Update on state and federal legislation (this item is scheduled for 10:30 a.m. and begins the webcast of the rest of the Commission meeting on Friday and Saturday). Request for approval of an intergovernmental agreement between the Commission and the White Mountain Apache Tribe to coordinate nuisance bear responses. Request for approval to acquire a Special Use Permit from the Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest for development of the Second Knoll Shooting Range. Consideration of three nominations to fill vacant spots on the Landowner-Lessee/Sportsman Relations Committee. Request for approval of the exchange of a portion of the Page Springs Fish Hatchery property for an adjacent riparian area. Briefing on the Department’s participation in the Western Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies Grassland Initiative. Briefing on Department missions and challenges that required out-of-state travel in fiscal year 2012. Consideration of proposed Commission meeting dates and locations for 2014. Update on award categories for the 2013 Commission awards. Hearings on license revocations for violations of Game and Fish codes, and civil assessments for the illegal taking and/or possession of wildlife (time certain at 2 p.m.). Items on the Saturday, June 15 portion of the agenda include: Consideration of several consent agenda items. Consideration of proposed Commission Orders 19 (dove), 20 (band-tailed pigeons) and 24 (sandhill cranes) for the 2013-14 hunting season, establishing seasons and season dates, bag and possession limits, and open and closed areas. Consideration of proposed Commission Order 29 for the 2014-15 Special Big Game License-Tag seasons (see next item), establishing seasons and season dates, bag and possession limits, permit numbers, and open areas. Consideration of applications for Special Big Game Hunt License-Tags for antelope, bighorn sheep, black bear, buffalo, elk, javelina, mountain lion, mule deer, white-tailed deer, and turkey for 2014-15. The Commission may vote to take action on applications from organizations for these tags as per R12-4-120. Briefing on public comment received thus far on the existing hunt guidelines and presentation of a preliminary draft of the revised guidelines. Consideration of a draft hunting and fishing license structure and license/tag fees, including a briefing on public input received thus far on license structure and fee concepts. The Commission may vote to approve or modify the draft structure and fees before they are presented to the public for comments. The Department will request Commission approval of a Draft Notice of Exempt Rulemaking amending multiple rules within A.A.C. Title 12, Chapter 4. To view a copy of the full meeting agenda, visit www.azgfd.gov/commission and click on the “commission agenda” link. The Arizona Game and Fish Commission is the policy-setting board overseeing the Arizona Game and Fish Department. It is composed of five members (serving staggered five-year terms) appointed by the Governor and confirmed by the Senate. No more than one commissioner may be from any one county. No more than three may be from the same political party. Since its inception in 1929, this organizational structure has served as a buffer for the best interests of science-driven wildlife conservation during eight decades of back-and-forth political change. For more information on the Commission, visit www.azgfd.gov/commission.

do not forget tonto national forest- taked to a ranger - he stated not a single hunter attend the hearing for foreclosures - they are opening some roads and actually installing gates on others ! opening some roads and making others official rds only - some of the closures were in the cavecreek burn area ! they expect a map by the first of the yr 2014

sorry not is this lifetime or the next - he doesn't \deserve anything - respect has to be earned - he's a disgrace to America !

do not be surprised with a lot of changes on how you can hunt and where even paying for you and members of your group to hunt . http://azgfd.net/artman/publish/NewsMedia/Game-and-Fish-working-to-maintain-access-on-Big-Boquillas-Ranch.shtml

could be anyplace but I see that in unit 5bs a lot- great pics.!

Why are you dropping dimes firstcoueswas80? If you are that jealous why dont you just hire a guide to take you hunting...again. Congrats on the tag wing master, hope you get a monster. who gives achit if it was his first time ever applying !! like you've never been lucky firstcoueswas80- -- enough of the jealous/ hate you got drawn crap on here !! shows your real colors firstcoueswas80 - needs to change his login to DABUSDRIVA

stick-flicker - well that had to be a long time ago ive been there several times-- (4) no searches ever - not even to see if firearm unloaded- no real hassles to speak of- they(guards) were very nice- never had a problem checkin in or out - you can call guard shack now to check in and out -I've come in way after dark - never a issue - its now a lot easier than what you've experienced- they probably moved you as the north camp site is next to the firing range- they do have two areas to camp-out -roads are not really maintained once you get in the woods but doable easily with a 4x4- you can have woodcutters in the woods also and guys working on the forest-trimming - etc yes they can shut down hunting at anytime and sometimes limit you to hunting 1/2 the area available but usually for a single day or 1/2 day- military training first!- hunters are like 3-4 on the list of importance anyway - yes it is a military base and they do have rules to follow and you'll be hunting a very limited area! good luck on your hunt dawg - i'm still available to answer question - yes I've taken a couple elk off the depot!

if you look at the regulations a lot of coues and muledeer alternate - example mule 29 - nov-1-7 nov15-21 ---- whitetail -oct 25- 31 nov 8-nov14 if possible the other guys could come early or you stay late and have overlapping hunts. so one group is hunting and possibly scouting for the other at the same time! A lot of units do have BOTH good numbers of muleys and whitetails

awe -- Waterloo, Ia farming roots outside Denver - wish I could revisit those days. long time ago - ages 0-9 --- 9- present phx az

By Dennis WagnerThe Republic | azcentral.comMon May 27, 2013 10:50 PM A former law-enforcement boss at the Arizona Game and Fish Department embezzled thousands of dollars from an undercover account set up to catch wildlife poachers and should be charged with felony theft, a state police investigation concludes. The Department of Public Safety report alleges that John G. Romero, who resigned while under investigation in early February, set up a covert bank account using his old undercover name and siphoned public money for three years before it was detected. Investigative findings, including a request for prosecution, were submitted to Arizona Attorney General Tom Horne more than two months ago. No charges have been filed to date, and a spokeswoman for the Attorney General’s Office said she could not comment. Romero, who could not be reached, told investigators he did not use funds for personal expenses, according to the report. But he admitted a failure to maintain records or to get payments approved, the report says. Gary Hovatter, special assistant to the Game and Fish director, said the 22-year officer retired with full benefits. Hovatter said a claim may be filed for recovery of the cash. He also said the matter was referred to the Arizona Peace Officer Standards and Training Board, which regulates law-enforcement officers and is empowered to withdraw certification. According to the DPS report, Game and Fish officials requested an independent probe in October after an audit of the Operation Game Thief program, designed to catch wildlife poachers. Records showed cash withdrawals by an unknown person named Greg D. Gomez. Romero had been given that pseudonym, with a matching driver’s license and Social Security card, years earlier when he worked undercover in the department’s Special Operations Unit. Game and Fish officials told DPS investigators that the fake identity was canceled in 2000 and that Romero had not worked undercover since 2004. They said Romero never received permission to resurrect the identity or create a covert bank account and never filed expense reports concerning the payouts. The DPS report says at least $13,600 went into the “Gomez” account, which was linked to Romero’s home address. Nearly all that money was withdrawn. DPS investigators concluded that Romero improperly authorized his own expenses and was not challenged because the employee who issued checks “knows not to ask any questions” about undercover operations. State police said that most of the withdrawals by Romero took place on days when he did not work and when his personal bank account was low or empty. The report says Romero failed to provide documentation of how the funds were used and stammered when asked to explain, as illustrated by a transcribed excerpt: “You know, I spend it on, uh, you know, mostly it’s for the uh, you know, the payment of, of, of services. Uh, use it for the, uh, the, you know, I help out other regions with, uh, with payments of, of, uh, just informant money or projects or, you know, just different things of that nature.” Romero told investigators he kept his activity reports at home but was “not the best bookkeeper. … It seems like I’m playing fast and loose with this,” he added, “and sometimes I do.” Romero, whose salary was $65,362, wrote the Game and Fish Department’s policy manuals for investigations and special operations. He was a nationally recognized expert on illegal trafficking of reptiles and served as a training officer. Department records obtained via a public-records request show that Romero had been promoted through the ranks to a top enforcement job despite repeated disciplinary memos for failure to maintain and submit official records. Hovatter said Game and Fish administrators have taken steps to prevent future violations of financial-accountability rules at the agency. Reach the reporter at dennis.wagner@arizonarepublic.com.

how about some cords- how far off the crocton rd etc . how far north of round mtn?

lol - guess this could also include special occasions - no offense meant towards anyone - ok ! thought you all might like this one::: My wife asked me the other day, "At your age, what would you prefer to get - Parkinson's or Alzheimer's?" I answered, "Definitely Parkinson's, Better to spill half an ounce of Crown Royal, than to forget where you keep the bottle."

I've seen at least one - I can remember - at my inlaws by Williams - dog was barkin up a storm at a drain/metal corrugated pipe under the driveway. thought it was the usual a skunk - I got surprised by a hissin opossum they are a very nocturnal animal - no surprise not many are seen

just get on google earth to find all the easy access points- the river end can be crowded but getting there Friday will help -- the roads paved almost to the lake

I just clicked on rules - wasn't hard or complicated !!?? Saturday-Challenge Course – 1 mile ◾5 Competitors per heat ◾20 Heats ◾All heats and their start times will be announced in advance and posted at the race site. ◾There will be a 6 physical challenges and targets to be completed during the race. ◾There will be clear standards on the physical challenges, and designated physical challenge areas to perform these challenges. ◾Competitors will shoot at standard 3D targets throughout the race ◾Range finders are allowed ◾There will be designated shooting stations where competitors will be shooting from. First come first serve basis. ◾If the competitor hit the ten ring on the target: ◾The competitor moves on to the next physical challenge, but does not have to perform the penalty challenge before moving on to the next target. ◾Has 30 seconds taken off their total race time. ◾If the competitor hit the eight ring: ◾The competitor moves on to the next physical challenge, but does not have to perform the penalty challenge before moving on to the next target. ◾If the competitor hits the target anywhere outside the eight ring: ◾The competitor moves on to the next physical challenge, but does not have to perform the penalty challenge before moving on to the next target. ◾Has 30 seconds added on to their total race time. ◾If a competitor misses the target completely, or enough that the arrow doesn’t stick in the target: ◾The competitor must complete the physical PENALTY challenge before moving on to the next target. Sunday- 3D shoot ◾40 targets ◾Competitors must shoot same set up as they did on Saturday (bow, sight, release) ◾No rangefinders ◾Standard 3D scoring..10-8-5-0 Each competitor will receive ◾1 Spot in the challenge ◾1 Race T-Shirt ◾10 Raffle tickets for post challenge raffle. ($20 value) Event Rules ◾There will be three divisions, Open Men, Open Women and Masters 40+ (men and women) ◾$65 early bird registration / $100 regular registration / $110 on site registration / ◾Competitors check in 6:00-6:30am ◾Mandatory Competitor meeting at 6:30am ◾Competition starts at 7am and will end when all competitors have run the challenge course. ◾Competitors must report to the designated on-deck area 10 minutes before their heat starts. ◾Competitors must have their competition number written on their bow arm and the fletching of their arrows. ◾Competitors must carry #20-Men/#10-women in a backpack. We may provide packs for the competitors or they may bring their own, but we will provide the 20# of weight for the pack. ◾Competitors must have their arrows either in a quiver, or in their backpack. They are not allowed to run with arrows in their hand. ◾Competitors must complete each physical challenge before moving on to the following target. ◾Competitors must stay on designated trails ◾Competitors must shoot from an unoccupied designated shooting station ◾Competitors must shoot at every target ◾Competitors must do physical challenges in designated physical challenge areas. ◾Competitors must shoot the same bow, sight, and release for both days of the competition. ◾Competitors can use rangefinders on Saturday for the Challenge Course, but NO RANGE FINDERS for Sundays 3D shoot. Determining the winner ◾Each event is worth the same ◾1st place will receive 1 point….2nd place will receive 2 points….3rd place, 3 points and so on ◾The overall winner will be the competitor with the LOWEST overall score.

please watch 1:30 into the video - this kinda simulates what happened - from what I've heard it was a similar accident that flipped the boat causing it to capsize- everyone knows hitting a wave at a weird angle can be dangerous - add the wind and the waves on an open lake like pleasant - surprised we don't have more accidents I'm glad to hear all the officers should be ok

why ask if they are biodegradable ? its an unsightly mess in our national forest and shouldn't happen especially if they camp in the area over the yrs - the mess will be there forever - replenished each trip if you google - there are all kinds of answers to that question . 1- quote -- most clay pigeons today are biodegradable. They are comprised of 97% (give or take a little for manufacturer) clay and 3% asphalt pitch. Depending on the size of the pieces it will take 3-5 years for the clay pigeons to break down. There are also biodegradable targets out there too. Most of them are clay and bound by sulfur. it all depends who makes them - some are even covered by a thin plastic which doesn't allow it to be biodegradable some are made of bird seed and other products! the adults need to know what they are doing and leaving is wrong - it makes for future generations of trash shoots!!

By Dennis WagnerThe Republic | azcentralMon May 27, 2013 10:36 PM The alleged embezzlement of public funds by Arizona Game and Fish Department Officer John Romero is among several controversies to plague the agency in recent years: In 2009, Game and Fish employees were intimately involved in the trapping and subsequent death of Macho B, Arizona’s only wild jaguar. The depth of the department’s involvement and its attempts to cover its tracks only became more widely known over the last 18 months. Last month, Game and Fish Commission Chairman Jack Husted resigned amid allegations that he sexually harassed female employees in the agency. His resignation statement said he was sorry that some people misinterpreted a “personal style of communication” that included hugging and joking. It was not Husted’s first taste of controversy. He previously was criticized for encouraging a juvenile hunter to shoot and kill a prairie dog out of season. Nonetheless, remaining Game and Fish commissioners honored Husted two weeks ago after their meeting in Kingman, giving him a lifetime hunting license. John “J.W.” Harris, the new chairman, said the lifetime hunting license was a personal gift bought by commissioners and presented at a private party. Harris said the harassment allegations never resulted in a formal complaint or investigation, and there was no reason for further inquiry because, “It’s over and done with. He’s resigned and is moving on with his life.” Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Crane McClennen awarded Pinetop-area game Warden Shawn Wagner $100,000 in damages, plus attorney fees and back pay, in December after he was suspended in connection with an elk hunt. The judge ruled the department trampled Wagner’s rights and retaliated against him for pointing out “mismanagement and abuse of authority, and potentially a gross waste of monies.” While off-duty in September 2010, court records show, Wagner went bow-hunting with several other current or former wildlife officers and a local judge. Minutes before sunset, Wagner shot and wounded a bull elk, but the animal ran off, leaving a blood trail that hunters could not follow after dark. Considering the wound to be fatal, they agreed to return at dawn to find it. Wagner was scheduled for surgery the next day, so he left his game tag behind for placement on the carcass. But the elk was still standing when located by his companions the next morning, so one of Wagner’s companions finished it off. According to court records, “All the persons there agreed Wagner had inflicted the mortal wound and thus they considered it to be Wagner’s elk, so they decided to put Wagner’s tag on it.” Three Game and Fish law-enforcement supervisors agreed that his tag was used appropriately. But Romero, then head of Operation Game Thief, concluded there were two potential violations regarding the tagging of the kill with a game tag issued to someone who was not present. Game and Fish administrators, concerned about possible headlines, did preliminary interviews to determine if a full investigation was warranted. Wagner balked, arguing that informal questions violated his rights under state law and department policies. He requested intervention from Game and Fish Department Director Larry Voyles. Voyles asked the state Department of Juvenile Corrections to assign an independent investigator. Wagner was interrogated and given a two-day suspension. He appealed to Voyles, who rescinded the suspension but ordered a new probe by the Arizona Department of Corrections. It resulted in reinstatement of the suspension. After exhausting his appeals, Wagner sued Game and Fish for retaliation and won a $100,000 judgment now under challenge. In 2007, Michael Malik Sr., a multimillionaire Michigan developer and casino entrepreneur, paid $135,000 at auction for a year-round permit to hunt elk anywhere in Arizona. Bidding for the so-called “Governor’s Tag” is conducted as an annual Game and Fish fundraiser. Malik reportedly paid thousands of dollars to a Lakeside man who directed him to a trophy elk in a private meadow just outside of town. Shortly after jetting to Arizona, Malik wounded the large bull, which ran to a nearby housing tract and fell to its knees. Members of the hunting party told Wagner, who was patrolling the area, that they had permission to shoot near the homes. Wagner authorized Malik to put the elk out of its misery, according to Malik’s attorney, Bruce Griffen. Griffen said two shots were required. The rifle reports attracted local residents who loved the elk and were horrified at the spectacle. “Women and children were screaming and yelling,” Griffen noted. “The whole thing was horrible.” Wagner confiscated the elk and issued two citations to Malik for shooting unlawfully within a quarter-mile of an occupied residence. At trial in Pinetop-Lakeside Justice Court, Malik was acquitted on one charge but found guilty on another. Griffen said the conviction was overturned on appeal, but reinstated by a higher court. Malik was sentenced to community service and ordered to write an apology letter to the resident on whose land the elk died. The Game and Fish Commission fined Malik nearly $15,000 and banned him from hunting in Arizona and 32 other states for five years. The elk’s head with velveteen antlers, valued at $27,000, now greets visitors at Game and Fish headquarters.

if ya want a true premium tag - needs to be a 3 day season with a trophy statis of minimum - 6x6 bull- you are a trophy hunter and you cant just shoot any ole elk! same for deer a 3 day season- minimum 4x4 pick one unit each yr - similar to the early rifle tags yes an elk tag is an elk tag - cow -spike-big bull should all be the same price reguardless of the time of yr.. when you want to make a privileged hunt then it has to have its own season - we don't need to split up the hunts seasons anymore - if we go down this road with a $200 preminum tag we will eventually start talkin about the pts of the antler system - spike tag cheaper than a 5x5 and a 6x6 or bigger will cost the most - I don't ever want that to happen here in Az. Not everyone wants to tag a huge scoring animal - yes its nice to be able too when they show - makes for a happier hunter but I'd much rather fill my freezer-- sure a huge rack on the wall looks nice and you can brag how big he is but its the meat that feeds the family.

now that's so funny I spit up my drink -- high harvest - i'll bet you money there was not even 20 bucks killed the whole season !! a close friend lives in the heart of 29 retired ranger - if you believe the harvest quotes for G&F he's got some good beachfront property just south of douglas!!

I hate the truck/car where the oil seals are gone - they leave a trail of white smoke for 1/2 a mile - you almost suffocate at the intersection/ stoplight and and my car will fail at .o5 over the limit H20 carbons . seen the same vehicel 3-4 times drivin around - some cop has had to seen it-- an willing ignored it!!

for a family of 4 - an increase of just for premium elk fee - its 367.00 - for premium deer its 268.00 forget all the other increases / decrease in license ----- that's 635 .00 added to all the other expenses to take a family of 4 hunting. sorry but a lot of family's wont be able to take their kids hunting! one of several RULES the G&F uses for standards Hunting and Angling Opportunity for All Opportunity to participate in hunting, angling and wildlife conservation is guaranteed for all in good standing, not by social status or privilege, financial capacity or land ownership. This concept ensures a broad base of financial support and advocacy for research, monitoring, habitat conservation and law enforcement. that's just deer/elk - most kids I know want to do it all - turkey - javelin- antelope etc .. by the time you add up all the increases and especially the ridiculous 13 for just applying , you've put them out of the financial capacity! so much for take a kid fishing/hunting - they are making it financially impossible we should all have the right to hunt elk / deer during the rut - without it costing more !!