elkaholic

lesson for us all - break a window - any window ! cut screen on door - jimmy lock . they need physical evidence - what a joke - hope it gets figured out for you!

yep - i stand corrected - they do define road hunting as illegal - guess i failed the guide test - lol you can not look in either direction while driving down the rd - to and from any spot or camp - if animal is spotted do not stop or pursue - even if said game animal jumps in front of vechile - you are a road hunter - oh i forgot i didnt intend to see anything it just showed up!

i guess i stand corrected on the issue of g&f defining and stating " road hunting" is illegal so the g&f guy (No names) who loads his atv with freinds and family /with tags and drives around while hunting is illegal also ! i bet -99% of all types of hunters are hunting illegally the way it's stated - interesting

nice hunt - awesume bulls - we all hope to experience hunts like this - especially at 80- way to go !

"But I know it has been said somewhere that if you are just driving at a slow rate of speed looking for game it COULD be considered road hunting. That was said in the regs." ok - show me! if anything its in the definiton of "road" being maintained for public convience- where if a speed limit is posted and you are driving slow may cause some kind of an accident! Most of us can remember drivin down a rd during season - have g&f drive by and just wave or they will stop and check license - never in 40+ yrs of hunting az backroads has anyone ever mentioned driving slow was or could be concidered road hunting. to the best of my knowledge --I've never seen anything in any published regulations for arizona that the term ROAD HUNTING was defined as illegal! the only mention of roads and hunting in the latest regulations - has to do with hunting from a vechile --- meaning taking wildlife from a vechile- which states - "using a vechile to hunt while traveling on or off rd:and or chasing wildlife with a vechile, both are illegal"

we all know its illegal to shoot from a vechile or a maintained road - chasing/pursuing game etc. etc. even the wm guy has to abide by the regulations - show me any item related to how fast or slow you drive down a road while hunting - - which decides if you are a road hunter! !i'd fight any ticket that said i was going slow and looking for game thus -- i'm a road hunter! which is not illegal either - its just a handle we give people whom dont want to get out and hunt,who just drive around and hope to find an easy shot! I know of a time when a guy who was driving downthe seven springs rd - looking out the window was wondering accoss the rd a little sometimes on the left and then on the right - a g&f was approching - stopped and him and gave the guy a ticket for driving down the wrong side of the rd - guy took it to court - judge thru it out - he said i'v e driven that rd and I knowthere are no lines to indicate which is theright or left side besides we all try to avoid the **** washboards.

+1000 ever notice when the paved roads end - i usually see a big sign that states - drive at own risk - this road is not maintained ! my definition of a rd hunter is someone who does not or will not leave the vechile unless something is spotted next to the road within shooting distance of the truck! Fine line in the determinating if it is rd hunting as far as speed! even though i may have a destination in mind - I'm always looking for game animals out the window - .I'll drive slow ,sometimes stop and even get out and glass - - this is not road hunting - so i stop and spot/glass and animal 1/2 mile up a hill and go after it - was I rd hunting ? my hunting does not start till i stop and get out of the vechile to pursue the game animal- which we all do anytime we enter the field to go hunting .

a "2 track" in the bottom of a canyon is not a maintained rd. you say they stopped got out and shot at buck where's the illegal no one wants to be in the position of danger because of some idiots usin scope to glass -

WHO ? Tony Who?? way to go - ! the price of autographs just went up! dang shoulda got mine at the ADA banquet! Congratulations !

here's view from our trailer deck in 10- rds do get bad and the clay mud is slick as **** - in the third we can see the tank - i like to use my 30x80's - I usually see elk and antelope but not a whole lot of deer - though i know they are around - hope to make a trip in Jan if weather clears/warms up!

I'm sure that they are probably not able to keep them contained with in a fenced area - hunting around the ranch might prove to be a great area !

heres info from the owner The "big eyes" that I have are by Zeiss. I got 'em, as far as I know, long before that other outfit started importing replicas. I can't tell you more than what you could see.

just when i need a plumber - dang - good luck on finding something -

they are in transit - but asked guy who spent the most time looking thru them - will get id info soon and heres wa his reply "From what I remember, these are the real deal, East German Zeiss binos. The case had East German markings. These are not finished anything like the Oberwerks."

I'll try to get all the info asap- thanks for the reply - guess i shoulda wrote some of the info down -oops they may be ober- most of his optics were zeiss- had a very interesting collection !

was kinda hard to really tell- as the clouds hung a little low accross the mtns. but the glass itself was in pristine condition. - I'm guessing this is where the concept of duel spotting scopes originated - kinda hard to even find anything written up about these - please if anyone knows - post it up!

nice buck - 110

not sure where to go withthis one mat a zels seems to be the way i sound it out - when referring to that mtn range -

21 ham always lookin for new herds - slim pickins last yr.

did the place that printed tags get illeagal immigration bust - they may be loookin for new printer also

super nice buck - - i see eye guards !

bottom line it depends on the scope - bushnell to leupold big difference in quality of lense even bushnel sportview to elite series a lot depends on the scope itself - as far as quality!

all kinds of cushions / foam seat etc theres several good one that wont break the bank at cabelas - i like on that has seat and back and i can fold back down to make extra thick seat - both laid flat is even a comfortable pad the catch a few zzz's if needed and stay off the cold groaund or rock stuff .

lotsa hits on credit cards - easy to check if ya used online apps

- just my .02 you may never agin see the populations of elk that we use to have ! most of our state is being over hunted - the g$f has systematically been killing off -way too many of - the cows , for several yrs now you take 3-5 hundred cow elk out of the herd - that could add up to -mature cow 1-2 calves a yr. - 700 to 1000 elk for that yr- in 3 yrs you are talking 5000 or more easily I'm not a numbers guy but i'd guess in 5 yrs those cows may have increased the herd by 7-10,000 elk