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and the TRUTH shall set you free! does anyone who answered the letter disagree with the above statement!?? it should have been a simple - yes or no vote - sounds like it was a farce opinion poll! is this the true integrity of the ADA and how they want to represent it members ! you as members need to decide ! I'll ask agin - can anyone post the letter?

no surpise - no one posted it when i requested it at least twice -

don r johnson is already a board member - he may be going to nominate new names for concideration!!

anything we need to address here ? http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/agendas/04050164107%2Edoc%2Ehtm

its a law they passed - azsfw lobbyed a few yrs back - here agin sure it sounded great but few knew the details and limitations it presented .

be nice if we had a list of several -so a much better chance of someone positive from the general sportsmen/women

so are we going to get an official they are against bill 2072? THE QUESTION should have included if they want to still support azsfw/azsfwc but when board members are members of all 3 organizations - kinda a conundrom

yep- we need someone we know we can trust to represent the sportsnmen and women of Arizona on this particular board. please everyone who can help to make this happen.

heres where we start guys - very important who gets this position ! it needs to be a good guy! http://forums.coueswhitetail.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=31987 i honestly think bpj and pete are eyeing this position!!

jeff- sent money for gps . thanks Gary

I know easter is next weekend but this guys thought process is in serious doubt! Oh we of weak faith, not trusting in the almighty azsfw-azsfwc one word comes to mind when i read his reply: ludicrous

********....The bigger picture that a lot of sportsmen are not seeing is the marketing ploy by some very bright outfitters who will approach a rancher, offer to pay him say $20,000 per year and then guarantee that only his supervised hunters will be on the checkerboard land.... and not the great unwashed masses that will litter, cut fences, create their own roads and generally cause havoc.******* bpj-- how would revenue from auction tags/banquets going to prevent this? oh yeah azsfw has a secret plan - they got all the answers but no facts to back up anything they say. when you take wildlife out of the control of G&F and put in into the hands of the legislators or private groups - guess what you just caused exacatlly what you say you want to prevent !! I guess we are now - how did you say it!! unwashed masses that will litter, cut fences, create their own roads and generally cause havoc.

thought this was news- in case some do not know !!;;; Important new legislation in New Mexico (effective April 1, 2012) could affect your hunts there. If you have recently booked a hunt in this state, or are considering it, you need to talk with your outfitter soon to determine the possible impact of these new rules. It's reported over the last several years on the efforts in New Mexico to limit nonresident permits. In March last year, the reported that Senate Bill 196 had been introduced into this state's legislature and would have restricted nonresidents to 10 percent of the licenses in the drawing, cut unguided nonresidents to only two percent, and reduce the outfitter pool to a total (both resident and nonresidents) of eight percent of the licenses. Before that, up to 22 percent of the permits could be issued to nonresidents and allowed up to 12 percent of the licenses set aside for use by the outfitters. What the recently passed legislation has done is limit the number of nonresident licenses to no more than 16 percent of the total licenses issued, meaning that 84 percent must now go to residents. It also reduced licenses to 10 percent of the total for both residents and nonresidents who are contracted with a New Mexico outfitter prior to the application and only six percent to nonresidents who are choose not to use an outfitter. It does allow leftover licenses from the drawings to be sold to nonresidents, but only after being offered to residents. And, if you have booked for a cow elk hunt for you or your family, the special draw antlerless elk hunts are now exclusively for residents, as are licenses for hunts on ALL of the state wildlife management areas.....

geeze -- you mean it is about money- i sell the tags - i buy the tags - i get my money back from the tags . plus i get to hunt anytime and place and take what i want - the biggest and the best of course . what a novel idea no greed - control or corruption involved - just good business practice eliminate the middle man and save big bucks in the process. All in the name of wildlife- conservation - habitat - youth programs etc. who would object to that. i'm doing my part! plus a tax write-off - who says money isn't everything

please explain this to me - i'm not an accountant off the 2010 tax statement for azsfwc banquet fund raiser grossed : 171,778 ---------------------------- cash expenses ; 1,000 non-cash prize expenses: 190,119 total revenue from the banquet fundraiser -19,341 with hamberlin loaning 50,000 banquet seed money yep trust them with millions

the bottom line is who controls the money ! they are saying azsfw should have complete control - I'm not against the current governor/auction tags - they are doing great for the state and will continue we know g&f has full control of the money. why does this group azsfw think they can do better !?? we can not trust azsfw to give any money they offer 30% they do not say 30 % of all funds from banquet /expo but more like 30% of the funds from the sales of tags the expo could raise several millions the tags might bring 3 - thats 900,000 how do you split that between all the programs ! where were you when this started ? big joke - go away we've been thru this over and over

"i did not beleive like the rest of you that Hamberlin and the SFW was a bunch of crooks" no , not just one! what ticked me off the most was the changing the rule of game bag limits on the auction/governor tags that way these hamberlins-greens- pearces could come here yr in and yr out - at their leisure and take the very best from the herds- especially when they are in velvet- the most sought after trophies!!- not just one but all they want! and the antelope /sheep - people wait lifetimes for a tag these money boys could take one from every unit! every yr. why the change of the bag limit if not to take the very best from every unit in the state! and not just one - all they can afford to buy - ITS TOTAL B.S.

The money guys pushing this type of legislation - you know who you are, so do we - AH_ FG _AP they know we have the best wildlife money can buy - It's evident they are not happy with harvesting a single animal per yr. let them go to another state - it will not matter if they buy the one tag here or run up the bill - somebody else will take their place - why do you think they want these tags - they are the best any state can offer - we sportsmen and women are saying -NOT HERE IN ARIZONA might be the wrong thread but oh well!

so big question - how many times or how often are you or will you check to see if your creditcard is hit today?

http://nccsdataweb.urban.org/orgs/profile/200867381?popup=1#forms http://nccsdataweb.urban.org/orgs/profile/200867309?popup=1#forms as you scoll down the pages please notice how the top postions of members on each org is listed!!

well ada not alone the MSC posted on their website but we have no way of knowing if they made it public or sent it out to their members!! april 12 thats the end of the legislators session - same peas in the pod! any members here get a n email from them?? The Mohave Sportsman Club, northwest Arizona's largest outdoor recreational club is asking for your opinion! The MSC Board of Directors has been asked to provide a position statement on the legislation that the AZSFW has and will once again submit in the Arizona legislature. This bill is commonly referred to as HB 2072, though that original bill is dead. The MSC needs your input as a sportsman as we have stated numerous times that we are the voice of sportsmen in northwest Arizona. Please take the time and read through the following two links that details some of the pro and cons of the proposed legislation. Arizona Sportsman For Wildlife Arizona Wildlife Federation Please reply to the MSC at suggest2msc@gmail.com or to Govt. Liaison Don Martin , at awoguide@citlink.net by April 12. Let us know if you support or oppose this legislation. Thanks for your support, Don Martin Govt. Liaison Mohave Sportsman Club

i spent all my extras on the draw- i know eveyone will have great time - go early - buy a few ballons -

report of a credit card hit from g&f for 114 today. somebody got an elk tag post'm up --- nothing for me yet!

when i chatted with a g&f office exec. at the meeting last night about the draw - I was told they are checking all credit cards to make sure they have suffcient funds before they run the final draw process. just like cashing your checks - seems a lot of people used the cards! they want it to go smooooothly once activiated.