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i know kaibab is 30 ft from road -vechile parking - now is coconino 30 or 300. the problem i see is theft - talk about making it easy for the low lifes to get access to your stuff , while your hunting! before they took their chances sneeking into a camp- now its just drive-by! this should be a safety issue - not only for the forest and the possible distructuion of roads by parrell parking but the public being in danger of vechile collisions etc. we all know bad dust can cause serious visiblility problems i see potental for a tragic accident ! nfs has their heads up their aces

a nice article but he doesnt really have much on the facts - if you will do a little checking - there have been feral hogs at havasu on the colorado since the early 1900's if the herd is now nearly 100 something is wrong . he doesnt mention all the areas where pigs are known to exist, they've had wild hog hunting at cordes junction for decades - we all know they can not be fenced in and we've never herad of a boominmg population run amuke in the area - though i'm sure neighbor ranchers are having bacon regularly hunters find pigs here and ther around the state and G&F would greatly appreciate knowledge of any sightings! after you've thinned the herd ! lol

well back in day i had 1- MUZZY and 2 ARCHERY tags but i now have 15 bps and hoping to draw in the near future . i'll stick with rifle till i'm drawn now! 5 yrs ago - my son applies first time and drew a rifle 7 tag - the hunt was almost too easy - though he was not real picky. sometimes they just won't listen - lol

if i had to guess - and if its a wild aninmal - that would be Arizonas version of the red fox

here ya go - if ya cant go hunting let a kid use it ! http://www.hoalarizona.org/

super nice ram there buddy

guess we are still waitng ! sounds like they are getting back imput- question is - who do these get returned to? who is trusted /responsable for counting the votes How long can the ADA drag this out?

DONNIE- i made a comment about your post no baiting - no argument - waited till you were done !calling you out ! my tone - thats funny i really dont care if you like my comments or not as far as the buckeye meeting I WENT TO SEE WHAT WAS HAPPENING HOPE YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH YOUR EXPECTATIONS Gary

I'm not singling anyone out but we can all sit here and play keyboard jockey activist but how many projects does that get done? just to put this in perspective - if not for some "keyboard jockey activists" azsfw would be sitting with 350 taqgs and we'd have a new law 2072 . if not for some key board activist you'd probably not be so fired up to "From now on, you can find me fighting to get more sportsmen involved in conservation projects, the commission meeting process, predator hunts and youth recruitment." none of this would have happened !there'd probably be no swsa etc. just saying!

you are a little mislead iof you think they will just go away - lets just forget about them and move on - REALLY!? they still want to control azg&f - with the commisssioners reveiw board . what are we teaching the kids - when you are confronteed with a problem you have to make sure you correct it! itnot quit before its finished .- if you start something you need to see it thru to the end . its great to think it would go away on its own but thats not gonna happen. AZSFW will not just go awaay by themselves. from one of the crew -- " As far as the AZSFW, it will continue to exist, but in a far different format and certainly without funding from any of the conservation groups, including the ADA." Hamberlin thru 50,000 around at the azsfw like it was cotton candy the little funding from the groups means nothing to a guy who'll throw 200,000 at a deer tag. it was having the voice of the majority of Arizona sportsmen groups - that voice is gone we have to eliminate this organization here in ARIZONA!! yes the ABA needs to come forward and withdraw support also along with all the others!!

"As far as responding to CWT, I apologize, but we really do owe you nothing." sounds like the azsfw- we do not owe you any explination they got the boys still pushing the how good we are and really dont care to explain any thing to anybody . they'll come back in a yr or 2 all will be forgiven - NOPE!! like from the beginning we never knew if it was the ADA of bpj thoughts and opinions basically cuz the majority of the ADA board was pushing the azsfw agenda at every chance and even did it in the survey! the ADA already lost members over the walking the fence on 2072 - and with the attitide some of the board have - i doubt you'll be getting a whole lot of new members. As far as the azsfw still being around , were working on that one - they've already lost over 50% of their major organizations . All Arizona knows they will never speak for the majority of sportsmen and women agin !

When is the ADA gonna get off their "aces" and come forward with information about the platnium membership with the azsfw . The sportsmen and women of Arizona deserve an Answer - whats it gonna take for this to happen!? we've been told twice the 2072 push is dead - we'vew been told that if it happened a second time the ADA would remove itself from affiliation. WHat is the message they are sending by dragging this out - with no comment from anyone !

when is the board of the ADA gonna let the sportsmen and women of Arizona know exactly what they stand for now and in the future. ARE you still and will you still activily support the AZSFW !!?? will you still be a platnium member so someone can be on the board! simple question ! time to pony up to the bar boys.!

we need to post these meetings - i'm sure there was some notification - i must have missed it! Was there any adjenda addressed we need to be aware of ? i'll try to check video minutes when available! Anybody give us a more detailed rundown - please . Has the aba withdrawn from the azsfw yet ? i've been havin major comp problems and got a new modem today - seems to have solved the issue!

it's plain to see you are against the AZG&F department BPJ. sorry they do not meet the standards of you and your azsfw buddies . Be nice to see all the details behind the curtains of your little group! be nice to see what money can buy!

heres some very interesting read - you decide if this was a scripted/bais survey . they do not mention the original bill with the no bag limit nor the orginal wording. only the few rewritten stuff- ADA/azsfw members did a good job of selling the goods! ADA survey letter (1).pdf

63 4/8 without checkin final score - guess i missed it earlier - nice shed.

TTT anyone gonna post the results from the mute 2072 members letter /poll?

whats hb1270 anyway - kinda like any business - you can get pats on the back from past accomplishments and remember when you did this but when you screw up you get your butt chewed out and a warning - you screw up the second time - no questions no B.S. you get a check and your walking papers . azsfw is at he last stage - they had a chance to drop it but they werent satisfied and pushed agin. they need to go - no way anyone is gonna trust them. All those responsable for the second push belonging to organizations who were against 2072 need to step down or be removed from boards . guess ya can't fire them and a butt chewing will do nothing . People will be less likely to join an organization if they feel the leaders do not have their views and interests , especially- TRUST.

most easy areas have already been hit pretty hard already - good luck

just love the kick back comments from someone who got a late cc hit! easy for you to say! lol i wouldnt think g&f could make it happen any faster - other than going back to paper - always been major problems with the online crap - you know how many differnt cc cards might have been used - and to deal with contacting to resolve the issues ? checks money orders - done deal -

AZSFW having so much percieved power and influence? look at what just happened with 2072 - azsfw was willing to go lie and decieve- betray all organizations they were said to represent - to further their own good . they are 100% opposed to the g&F they have stated publicallly they are incompentent a few chosen people and the right law - bingo - on more step in aligning the pieces . they know what money can buy - 3 paid lobbyists to fight against all the sportsmen and women in Arizona . key board membders on all the organizations to help with the fight! THey were willing to prove they had the power and the influence but it was stopped by joe hunter - now joe hunter needs to finish the game! we need to put a tag on azsfw! and anywhere they show thier influence and precieved power . this board by its current members shows its a threat -its got azsfw members with the right people anything can be a good thing - with the wrong people its dooms day!

sorry - not to say all will be influenced you are talking in reguards to the 2 good guys - I agree with you!!! BUT __ what we are worried about is the 3 that are in question in reguards to their relations with azsfw . what can you say of the others ?? do you know them as well what happens when sue leaves / how can we stop the 2 names who may be influenced by azsfw !?

Aren't these all individuals capable of their own thoughts and decisions, or do we really believe that AZSFW has the power to sway these individual's opinions or the voted on opinions of their respective organizations, if they are even taking a vote on a prospective Commissioner? Losing on a vote is a part of a democracy. We can never guarantee a win. Not sure I am following your logic there. you are kidding right! have you been sipping the kool-aid too! i wouldnt use power as much as to say influence!

Keep in mind that the Governor gets to decide who sits on this Board, not AZSFW she only gets to pick from the names the board gives here - no less than 2 when members of the board is controlled by azsfw members - guess what ? the same with a few organizations we know of! sue s term is done - since when is 2 the majority of 5 ? stinson is a azsfw member - so is gilstrap - most likely johnson best interests are great but if you are out voted - ??!!! Members of the board are Phillip D. Townsend (chair), Susan E. Chilton, W. Hays Gilstrap, Donald R. Johnson, and Leonard G. Stinson.