yotebuster

^ what he says. NM has so much elk habitat that they just have more elk to hunt. I would disagree that the quality is as good as AZ as the top end Bulls in AZ will always beat out NM but for sheer numbers of nice Bulls (300+) you can't beat NM. As a resident you stand to draw a decent tag fairly often in NM. They have a lot of tough hunts that you'll never draw as well, but they do have some good hunts you can get with good odds. You can always run up to Colorado to scratch the itch with small Bulls hetween draws for either state. It's hard to beat OTC January archery deer in AZ. Weather is awesome and there are some good bucks to be found! You're in a good position to be in!

Good lord! That's one of my favorite antelope of all time! What a bada55 goat!!!

The BBB has no power to take away a license. They can only provide reports for consumers to follow. The taxidermy association would be a start, but again I don't think they have any true power. I'm really surprised this guy still gets business. I thought it was common knowledge that his operation was like this. I've seen it come up atleast a half dozen times on forums in the last year or two. He used to place pics on the Rutnhard forum when it was still in existence, and people would always post comments like "looks great!" and "awesome work". I remember seeing it and thinking, if that was my work I'd be driving as fast as I could to Mogollon to have him fix it!!!

I've never hunted this exact hunt, mostly going off of the dates and reputation I've heard about the peaks hunts. I have had late October tags in Montana and New Mexico and it's in my opinion the hardest time of year to kill a big bull. I like November much more because atleast you can almost count on snow and they have bachelored back up and aren't sacked away in the thick stuff. I guess the over hunted rifle hunts like 22n in November could be tougher. This will be a tricky hunt but I guess what I was trying to say in my last post is that atleast he's hunting, and in an area that does have big Bulls!

The bad news is that is probably one of the worst rifle bull elk tags in the state. The good news is Arizona is a really good elk state! I think there are 4 consecutive rifle bull tags leading up to that one. So the elk will be shagged down lower (what the hunt was designed to do). That being said, there are big elk in the unit so you never know! Hope he smokes one!

You could start an online service that hooks these non hunters up with people like me and trphyhunter. I'll be your first subscriber.

Again. Why not just say "no I don't want a unit 1 early rifle tag this short of notice". Seems kinda nice to have the option doesn't it? Maybe I'm weird but I guess id take it. If I didn't have time I'd say "no thank you" and someone else would be in for wonderful surprise.

so maybe the year i get called on a returned tag, do i have to make a split decision over the phone 2 weeks out from a trophy hunt? In Nevada you choose whether or not you want to be on alternate list. So if that's something you're not comfortable with then you just opt out. Seems like a system like that will make sense. Or you can just say "no". Same difference as not drawing it in the old system.

That thing is a slug!

Then you'd be doing all the guys with 19 a favor. Still seems like a win win. You've always had the opportunity to round down in a party. Why are you so butt hurt about it now? Nevada has had this same system for years and years. Guides, DIY'ers, young, old, rich and poor all like it. They issue the returned tags on a return list to next in line. You can opt out of that list if you want. Win win for all party's, except KRP apparently. By the way, how much you want to average me up to a 4b archery tag next year, I have 4. I'll even pay your $5 for the point guard.

Looks like a great idea if you ask me! You can come up with all the conspiracies you want on it if you'd like. Fact of the matter is they still average your points in a group so if you want to hunt with your daughter you can go into draw with 6 BP not 10. Also you can do it only once so you can't continually piggy back off of them.

Quick question. Why don't they make one that locks into the twist out portion of the ocular? Seems no differenr then an eyepiece locking onto a spotting scope? I understand they don't really work I just don't understand why?

12's or 15's? I think you made a wise move either way!

I sold mine the other day on here and ended up getting $1275 for them I think. They aren't worth what they used to be I guess.

Sounds more like hunters that screwed themselves rather then G&F doing anything. I'm as hardcore of a hunter as the next guy but the sight of a wounded animal with an arrow in it makes me sick too. The game and fish has very simple rules about the archery harvest in relation to the aug dec and jan hunts. If success goes up they drop the dec hunt. Its that simple. No conspiracy theory.There was never a December or January hunt in 11m and the ratio of archery harvest to rifle doesn't apply here either since 11m has never had a rifle season. I'm not trying to conspiracy theory anything just giving the answer to the original question. I stand corrected on the season structure up there.

Sounds more like hunters that screwed themselves rather then G&F doing anything. I'm as hardcore of a hunter as the next guy but the sight of a wounded animal with an arrow in it makes me sick too. The game and fish has very simple rules about the archery harvest in relation to the aug dec and jan hunts. If success goes up they drop the dec hunt. Its that simple. No conspiracy theory.

Was that a rhino 650 or Oregon 650? That's a seriously good deal if it's a rino!

Good luck! If he gets one even close to the size of the mammoth in your avatar he'll be doing great! What's the story on that pig? That's gotta be pushing high 80's or near 90?!?

I just bought 4 for my dad and bros off cabelas on clearance for $379 I think. 650T

^ this

Nice! Where'd you get the Eurasian?

13a and 13b. For 12a/12b it looks like last year you would have had a 55% chance of getting one in bonus pass with 3 pts and a 41% chance in random with 2 points. Remember that if you have three you get a chance in bonus pass as well as a chance in random so you will probably draw it.

My bad. It is onX maps now. Musta changed the name. Same compny out of montana

It's called "huntgpsmaps". It's out of Montana. I would take 3-5 days off ahead and 2-3 for the hunt. If there is a big one left on opening day he won't make it till the second day. It's different then some of the northern units where they go in and out of the trees. They aren't any secret bucks in 19a! The avatar buck is the one I killed in there. Scored 79 6/8. Not quite 80 but I round up!

Yes. You can also get this for your phone. $20-30 and you just download it. Way better then on a gps especially if you have good cell service which you will in 19a. This is a hunt that is truly not doable without a landownership chip or app on your phone. Don't even try it. Your biggest problem with the rifle tag is that all of the really good Bucks will be dead by the time your hunt opens. The muzzy hunt in this unit is the gem. All you can do is scout out the top 10 bucks in this unit and pray for them through the bow and muzzy hunts and the one or two that make it you need to kill on opening day or yore going home with a 75"er. I had the tag in 2010 and shot an 80"ER with my bow. The muzzy guys killed the 84 and 87" bucks I was after. The gun hunters all killed 75" bucks.