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Great deal! Remember that a 30” double barrel has the same sighting plane as a 22”-24” semi auto or pump. Don’t be afraid of long barrels on doubles as a matter of fact 32’s are even better!

Arrows have broadheads attached to them. I can kill an elk with a knife if you can get me up on him sleeping, and I have 0 ft lbs of kinetic energy. A 100mph fast ball has more energy then a bow does and that certainly won’t kill an elk. One is shooting a razor sharp stick and the other is a ball. The problem with your analogy is that all the things you suggested are shooting bullets. Yes a hard cast is different then a JHP but they’re a heck of a lot closer then a bullet and a broad head. I’ve killed full size northern whitetails with a .17 hmr, and 1800# beef cattle with a .22lr. Should I do that in the field?!? Of course not. If you’re gonna shoot elk with a 180gr bullet going subsonic then use a hard cast and try to drive it as deep as you can, you won’t get two holes but you’ll prob kill the elk if it’s close. I’d just shoot it close with the .300 win mag but that’s just me.

I just ran the ballistics on a 180gr .357 XTP at 1900fps and that’s what I came up with. I really don’t care what cartridge it comes out of was just letting you know that it falls below 1000ft pounds at 50 yards and is below 800 at 100 yards. That’s just math. Looking for someone that has experience killing elk with a .357 herret is gonna be essentially impossible to find. But that doesn’t matter. You could ask if 800 ft pounds of energy is enough for elk and get a debate going I guess. (It’s about the same as a .223 at similar distance so you make the call). Also you’re gonna want to check your info a little as a .30 herrett (parent case for your .357) is shorter and has a much lower powder capacity. It’s no where close to a 30-30 necked up. If it was it would shoot a 180 a heck of a lot faster then it does.

If I knew they wouldn’t catch me I’d try that late November/early December 13b hunt.

It falls below 1000 ft lbs if energy at 50 yards and has about 800 at 100 yards. I guess if you’d be comfortable shooting an elk at 1300 yards with your 300 mag it’s about the same energy. I used to take smaller calibers and old rifles etc for doe/cow hunts and then one day I thought about how that critter would feel suffering because I didn’t use everything in my power to kill it as fast and humanely as possible and decided that wasn’t for me. But that’s everyone’s own decision to make. In my opinion if you want to make it a challenge, take your .300 and just set your max shot limit at 100 yards just like you would with the herret. That being said I’m not much fun at parties.

You mean the best f’n unit ever?!?

Even the smallest one of those is bigger then the biggest bucks on the other website I was looking at.

True. Just seems to me that AZ points are such a golden ticket to big Miley’s. The thing about MT, or WY or any of those, is there’s a lot of medium and small critters but your odds of a giant like you can have a chance at in AZ is essentially non existent. Atleast with a kaibab early tag you can know there’s a 220 buck somewhere in the unit. In MT, WY and 3a/3c the odds of that are almost nonexistent from what I’ve gathered.

That’s the pics I’ve seen I guess. There’s a couple collages on there with 1 or 2 180 bucks on there and the rest are 140-160 bucks. I’ve hunted with him for elk and he knows his stuff and knows how to take pics so that’s where I guess I’m curious of what the hype is I guess. Most of the bucks on there could be easily had on a general MT tag or a leftover CO tag. The burnt timber bucks from last year were some dang smokers though for sure.

I just looked at their website and they have some pretty good lookin bucks in there where the terrain looks like 3a/3c. They’ve also got a bunch on the 150-160 country too. I would be curious to see what an average is across the board for what they kill in there. They seem to kill the best ones from what I can see.

Can someone explain the allure of the 3a/3c tag for me? I see a lot of publicity about it, and have spent little time in there, but the guides putting the collages on FB are putting up piles of pics of 145-165 bucks on them? Seems like there’s one good one that comes out of there (190+) every year but a whole pile of 3 yr old 22” bucks as well. It seems to me that just about every unit I’ve spent time in south of the canyon can produce about like that. I hear of NR burning 20+ points on that tag, wondering if it’s just buying the hype or of I’m missing something? Nothing wrong with 140-160 bucks but a guy can shoot bucks like that annually on no point type hunts across the west.

The “I didn’t get drawn posts” in the spring offset the “too many tags” and “all I see is hunters” posts that pop up in the fall. Keeps the forum volume up and moving Atleast

There’s a ton of tags that you could have drawn this year. You just chose not to apply for those. Short of pronghorn you could have a tag for every single one of those species this year but you picked hunts that were more desirable and therefore took a risk of not drawing and you didn’t. Simple as that.

Fly into Seattle and rent a car and take ferry across puget sound and drive out to Westport. You’ll be too early for albacore but salmon and bottom fish should be good. Rent a 6 pack boat for the day (I can get you a name if you’d like) and you’ll catch some fish. Don’t waste your time in puget sound. Limits are non existent and so are salmon runs. If you want to spend a little more money and take another day out on the Olympic peninsula, try drift fishing for salmon on one of the coastal rivers. That’s a ton of fun too. My inlaws live in Tacoma and we’ve messed around on puget sound a bunch and this is the only keeper salmon I’ve ever caught there. The background gives up my spot!

Wasn’t there just one on here for $300?

I’m not sure I understand the first post, but if you aren’t a road hunter, you’ll wanna learn to be one. Especially with scouting, getting out of the vehicle is the worst thing you can do when trying to locate an antelope buck. Good luck with the tag. I’m jealous.

No luck here. Just like the rest of the states I put in for. Horrible luck this year!

I’m looking for 8-10 new or used trail cams. Looking for recommendations on a good brand as I’ve had bad luck with the cuddebacks I went with last time. If someone has some that are all in good working order and the same brand and model they’d be willing to sell I’d be open to that as well. Let me know what you’ve got. I’m in ND so you’d have to ship them but we’d work that into the price.

Thanks! I think I’ll try to find some that there’s either 8-10’of them, or are ones they still make so I can add a few more of the same kind. My problem now is I have 1-3 of about 5 different kinds!!

They’re all yours, I’m gonna try to find a group of them that I can still get more of so they’re all the same. Hate learning how to run different ones.

They lied. Not out yet. Says 17th.

You’d rather have your teeth pulled then have to wear some fabric over your face for 3 hours? You must have never had a tooth pulled. I’m in agreement that the CDC and feds need to get on the same page but I don’t think I’d wanna lose any teeth over it.

Sorry, I’m fully planning on buying some new ones and looking for recommendations, but figured I’d start here is someone bought some and now can’t use them. If I lived in AZ still, I’d personally just put mine out to keep an eye on the cattle using the drinkers and salts but that’s just me.

Thanks! I’m trying to find a decent number of the same cam as I hate having to remember how to set them when I have a bunch of different brands out.