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I’ll take it if it falls through.

“Here’s a guy….” I always liked him. Sad to hear but 85 for a guy in his shape is a dang good run.

Whoa!! Tough tag to draw! Congrats! Hunted it one time with my brother and we got a giant blizzard and never saw a sheep. I don’t think they killed a single one that year. I’ve heard of the giant rams in there though!

Have you hunted up there? The salts are just spread out wherever they can get them. Atleast the ones I was around when I was there, there was very little reason for that salt to be there other then that was where the salt was. That being said, from what I understand the guy in this video showed up after a guy was already set up on said salt. In that case, a polite wave and move on is the right thing to do regardless of whose salt it is.

I’m assuming these are not the newest model EL Range TA with the right hand button?

Yeah I could be wrong but I don’t think there’s even any grazing along that boundary. There’s really no fence so I don’t think they could keep cattle out of the park.

Would you take 3 wheatgrass smoothies in trade? JK. This is a good deal on some (I’m assuming) highly sought after brass!

I think you and I agree on a lot of points here. I guess the one thing that keeps coming around that bothers me is the whole “cut them out of the unit if they don’t comply thing”. I honestly agree with making it it’s own unit (essentially like the Baca float) but they need to be provided with some tags just as the multi unit hunt on the Baca is. Every other state out there provides some sort of tit for tat landowner system that shows appreciation for protecting and managing big game in exchange for access. Some are more favorable to the landowner and others the public, but completely shutting down all big game hunting (because they won’t play by the “rules”) on a ranch that’s larger then most big game units is overreach IMO. I can’t imagine owning a ranch in AZ and never having been able to kill an elk on it due to inability to draw a tag, let alone not even allowing hunting on it because they didn’t follow the governments forced hand at access. The game and fish’s job is to manage the herd, and just deciding that a giant piece of land doesn’t need any big game harvest sets a scary precedent about big game management in the future. If the antis get ahold of that nugget of info (that it’s OK to just not hunt entire units) that gives them major weaponry against any and all claims that legal hunting is a management tool. Thin ice if you ask me.

So what if the owners of the ranch (Navajo) were able to annex the ranch into the reservation. Then you’re back to cool with them shutting down access and smoking big bucks and bulls for big dollars? That’s just a paperwork change and a color on a map ya know. The take home is it’s their land, their choice. You’re cool with it if it’s dark yellow on Onx and it’s sovereign nation land but not if it’s private on Onx? Only difference is some of it we stole and gave back to them and the other stuff we stole and they bought it back.

So let me get this straight, you think that any private land in the state of AZ should have the animals herded off of it and a high fence put up around it to keep the state owned critters off of it? Or do you just want that on this one ranch? We fencing off rezs too? Herding their elk off (they aren’t gonna like that )? How about your yard, fence that off too? Again where do we draw this line of property right pillaging? Just big ranches that we used to have unrestricted access to? Or small ones too?

Dang. So where do you guys draw the line with property rights? If it’s your private backyard and you want to exercise your right to privacy on it that’s ok I guess. That’s a small acreage you say? Well where to do draw the line? 5 acres? 50? 500? Ok. So just 50,000 acres pieces of PRIVATELY owned land? That’s the only ones you want the government to blackmail access out of the owner by “shutting down” hunting on it?!? Seriously? Must be a lot of Biden stickers stuck next to CWT stickers on the backs of trucks from what I’m reading on here…. The epitome of government overreach is me telling YOU what you can and can’t do on your own land. That’s literally what democrats do. Just to stop the “it’s half state land” argument before it even starts. That’s the way checkerboard works. If you want to change that then work on that, the land they are dealing with on access is PRIVATE land!! It happens to landlock some sweet state land and that’s the way the west has been since the 1870’s. It sucks but it’s true. Either lobby for change in corner crossing and then strap your boots on and hike through it, or get a job and buy some land with checker board locked land in it. That’s the cool thing about the America I know and love, there’s NOTHING stopping you from doing that.. except maybe democrats (and a bunch of CWT members from the sound of it) angling for your private land rights when you buy it. 🤷🏼

Good gun and good price. These can be updated by arrowhead to use BH209 for a few hundred bucks. Great way to get into the LR muzzy game.

Meme stolen. Thank you.

I’ve got a banish 30, a banish 22 and another banish 30 on the way. No experience with the omega so can’t give you pros and cons but I like the banish 30. I looked at the gold instead on my second one as it’s QR but it’s longer then the regular banish 30 and I felt like every inch counts when it comes to suppressed rifles as you take a huge hit on velocity dropping to a 18-22” barrel to make it a reasonable hunting length.

I called that before you even said it, again reread my post. If you have a problem with the way an organization handles their finances then address that, they’re having a budget shortfall, they said that and were upfront with that when they sold these chances and tags. There’s more to a budget then most people understand. I get sick of hearing over and over about the “new truck” thing. Seriously? You must have never run a business as the most expensive thing out there is manpower. You can’t have some intern biologist sitting on the side of the road tinkering on a broke down pickup. I run 3 different businesses and all three run new or nearly new equipment. Can’t think of a friend of mine with a successful business that doesn’t run it that way. Maintaining some equity in vehicles and trading regularly is predicable and the least expensive way to operate when your workforce is in remote locations and likely doesn’t have a mechanical background.

I guess I don’t know why everyone is so worked up about the game and fish having money. They literally work to make our hunting what it is. If there’s any agency out there that we want flush with cash it’s them. If you are concerned with the accountability of their budget then that’s a totally different thing and needs to be addressed as such. The fact of the matter is if we have a voluntary fundraiser that can raise a ton of money to benefit all of us this is a win win. Everyone has a chance and no one HAS to pay it. If you look at the hunt proposals in the off season every year the tag increases by unit are in green, there’s literally thousands of green numbers (tags added to various units) some year and no one bats an eye. You suggested that somehow adding 100 tags in the entire state across all species to raise $16.5mil is somehow ludicrous and I look at that and see an absolute win for everyone!! Those 100 animals could create opportunity for thousands more in access, habitat restoration, water hauling etc. Bring them on if you ask me.

It’s 6 critters and it raised $300,000. The population can survive. If they can pay for chaining 1 section of land with it (this will pay for so much more then that) those 6 bucks and bulls will be easily made up. More bucks and bulls get clipped by creedmoors to go die in the brush somewhere never to be seen again in any given 15 minutes of the season then this will kill.

Silencer central will let you stretch it out while your paperwork is being processed.

I think he got 6 free sandwiches for that.

You’ve heard of documented legit cases of people losing their hunting and fishing privileges for having one too many dove or one too many fish? I was always under the impression those were non criminal offenses unless an exorbitant amount over limit and only punishable with a citation and fine?

Some good advice. I did the silencer central route and just went to a gun show they were at and they did everything g digitally right there. Took about 15 min. I bought a rifle can, 22 can, shotgun can and a SBR 300 blackout with an integral can. It took 12 months for them. I ended up ordering another rifle can as I am all aboard with using them for everything now and wanted a backup. I’m going on 10 months now with the second one so they aren’t getting any faster. My advice is buy a bunch of them and do it ASAP.

They had to be after him for something else, the penalties for everything G&F related are so light this seems steep for something so small. If he didn’t have permits at all on that forest then that makes more sense. The may have made it stick on the lying on the form thing but the real problem was the lack of permits? Guessskng more to this story.

Ranchers don’t wreck roads nearly as bad as hunters. I don’t know about you but the general elk and deer hunts I’ve been on the road traffic of hunters vs ranchers 100:1. I guess my take home is there was absolutely zero reason for them to let people on there and only negatives for the landowner.

Yeah. You ever paid to maintain a road? It’s expensive as heck. Trash pick up is too. In an ideal world these hunters would police themselves on rutting roads and destroying the place but we all know that doesn’t happen. The liability insurance alone that place must have is gotta cost more then their revenue from hunters.

That’s the way of the west though unfortunately. Tens of millions of acres across the west in the same boat. In AZ the Baca Float has a ton of checkerboard as well. It’s complete BS but unless they over turn the corner crossing rule (currently going into a high court right now) there’s no way. Here in ND a section line is considered public right of way so not only can you corner hop, you can actually walk down a section line across private as long as you stay on it and don’t actively “hunt” but that’s a state by state deal.