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You're in luck Tommy! I have that here on my computer. PM me your email address and I'll fire it over to you. Good luck in the draw, Nick Correction, I have the one from '09. If you still want it I'll be happy to send it.

Very nice pronghorn Doug! I love the photos as well. Thanks for sharing! Nick

NEWS CONFERENCE, MONDAY, OCTOBER 4TH, 11 A.M. CAPITOL MALL, NORTH OF SENATE CHAMBERS (1700 W. WASHINGTON, PHOENIX) Arizona Game & Fish Commissioners Woodhouse, Husted and Harris form Campaign Committee to support Prop 109 and Respond to Misinformation Being Disseminated to the Public PHOENIX--Opponents to Prop 109, are saying that “it is a power grab by Politicians to take away the rights of Arizona Voters and the Arizona Game & Fish Commission to determine wildlife policy in the state” and “that the right to hunt will trump the use of sound science to establish wildlife management decisions”. Robbie Woodhouse, current Vice Chairman of the Arizona Game & Fish Commission, fellow Game & Fish Commissioners, Jack Husted of Springerville and John Harris of Sahuarita, announce Monday the formation of “Support the Arizona Game & Fish Commission by supporting Prop 109”Campaign Committee. Commissioner Husted stated “the objective of forming the committee is to make sure the public has accurate information on Prop 109 because there is a lot of misinformation being disseminated by the press and groups opposed to Prop 109 including the above comments taken from their opposition ballot arguments.” Commissioner Husted spent an hour last week with Arizona Daily Star reporter Tony Davis and was disappointed to see the Star’s editorial Monday asking the Public to Vote No on Prop 109. When asked, Davis said his opinion was not requested prior to the editorial being published. “This comes as a surprise to most of us,” said Husted “as Mr. Davis writes many articles on wildlife-related issues for the Star. It is very disappointing to see the Star’s outright bias. We have no recourse except to form the Committee and set the record straight.” The Arizona Game & Fish Commission worked closely with the National Rifle Association as the language for HCR 2008 (now Prop 109) was being drafted and the Commission also voted to support the bill during the 2010 legislative session. “We were involved because we wanted to make sure the mission, role and responsibility of the Department and Commission were not compromised,” said Woodhouse. Click here for link to commission position on HCR 2008. “The Commission would not have supported Prop 109 if it compromised or otherwise limited the current wildlife management role played by the Game & Fish Commission” Woodhouse added. “We believe it actually provides a stronger foundation for the role of the Commission because with the passage of Prop 109 the Commission will be formalized in the state’s Constitution.” Commissioner Husted explained “The Provisions of Article 4, Section 1 of the Arizona Constitution and Title 17 of the Arizona Revised Statutes (ARS) are very clear. The Constitution vests the authority to make laws with the legislature, which consists of a senate and a house of representatives. The Legislature has given the Arizona Game & Fish Department the power to administer the laws relating to wildlife and the Legislature of its own free choice further vested the Arizona Game & Fish Commission with the responsibility to control the Game & Fish Department.” Commissioners Woodhouse, Husted and Harris agree that the Constitution and ARS Title 17 provide the framework for the governance of game and fish issues today and Prop 109 will do nothing to change this framework when passed by the voters. Commissioner Woodhouse reaffirmed that, “The Game & Fish Commission will continue to base its wildlife management decisions on scientific findings and science will not take a back seat to hunting and fishing or politics as suggested by the opponents of Prop 109.” Consistent with the North American Model of Wildlife Management, the Arizona Game & Fish Commission uses hunting and fishing as the primary means of controlling and managing wildlife today as does every other Game & Fish Agency throughout the United States. The Commissioners agree that, “the requirement for hunting and fishing to be the preferred means of managing wildlife changes nothing as Prop 109 further requires that future laws and rules ‘shall have the purpose of wildlife conservation and management’.” -End- Contacts: Commissioner Robbie Woodhouse @ 928-941-1700 or hrking00@aol.com and Commissioner Jack Husted @ 928-245-0885 or jhusted@frontiernet.net or Carole V. Bartholomeaux, 602.404.8018 or Carole@b-pr.com Day of News Conference, 602.628.2666

Not sure where I read that, but I stand corrected.

Congratulations on a very nice bull! I'm glad you were able to make it happen and that you shared your experience with us here. That is extra special that you shared it with the friends. Way to go! Nick

Wow Jake, Looks like you had a very successful pronghorn rodeo! Nice Pronghorn! Love those cutters on your buck! Congratulations! Thanks for sharing your pics and story. Makes me want to go to Wyoming...soon! Nick

I wished I still lived out in the County! Would be nice to have a mule and the gear to go in the backcountry on my sheep hunt. I could probably ride the mule right up to the sheep seeing how many dang burros live in my unit! Nick

Just want to point out a few things. As far as I know, ALL Boone and Crockett Official Measurers are certified to measure ALL N. American Big Game, according to their website. I can also tell you that shopping for another measurer once the animal has been scored by an Official Measurer is frowned upon by the Club. Maybe he was not B&C but some other Club. If an Official Boone and Crockett Scoresheet was never filled out by the guy at the Bass Pro, then I would recommend contacting Amanda from this site or any of the other B&C measurers in the State. Bill Keebler is a member of B&C and the ADBSS and has measured many sheep for sure. Either way, get him measured by someone from Boone and Crockett and let us know how it goes. Good Luck, Nick

Right On! Sounds like you guys had a heck of a hunt. Congratulations to both of you on killing nice bulls. I love that 5x5. Yours looks like an old bruiser! Way to get it done! Nick

That's an awesome bull! Especially for your first! Congratulations! Thanks for sharing your story and pics. Nick

In my experience a scouting trip to the area is always priceless. I know it's a long way to the Kaibab but I bet the effort would be worth it. Getting familiar with the roads and finding potential camping spots is always easy to do when you scout. Finding critters is always nice too! I always camped out of my truck so can't help you with a trailer, but if you get up there earlier than most, you should be able to find a spot fairly easily. I hope your buddy has a good time up there. The Kaibab is a magical place. One of my favorite places in Arizona for sure! Nick

2010 Arizona Strip Pronghorn Taken on Sunday September 5, 2010 at 8:45 in the morning. I glassed up a group on Saturday evening and figured they should be in the same area in the morning. I made a plan to loop around them and get the wind and the terrain to my advantage. To my pleasure, the plan worked and I found the group of pronghorn about 200 yards away when I got to the area where I thought I might be able to see them. They moved off a bit while I was preparing my shooting position, and when they stopped again near the top of the rolling slope I acquired the buck in my scope, took a deep breath, and pulled the trigger. I heard the tell tale sound "whak" shortly after the report of the rifle and saw that there were 4 does running away without the buck. I killed my first pronghorn antelope! The buck measures just a hair shy of 14 on one horn and 14 even on the other. Rough score from the taxidermist was about 79 inches. I couldn't be more pleased with him. Thanks to all of you who helped me along the way. You know who you are! Nick

Way to go! That's a nice bull! By The Way, it's OK to smile when you done good! Nick

Sorry to hear about the situation. At least he will make the Awards book and the Arizona Wildlife Trophies. My only question is if he hasn't been re-scored by an official measurer, how do you know he has shrunk an inch? Measure him up again and submit what he got. Score is not the end of the world. That is a beautiful ram that many people will never have the opportunity to hunt, nevermind kill one that is that huge! Tell your buddy to enjoy the memories from the hunt and the ram for what it is and forget about the score. It's only a reference anyways. Tough break, Nick

Sorry for the tease. Here's a link to the thread I posted on this site: http://forums.coueswhitetail.com/forums/in...showtopic=20767 Thanks for the interest. I had a blast. Nick

Hey Guys, It's starting to feel like we're beating a dead horse here. AZPredator, That's a nice bull on your avatar! You obviously have some skills and knowledge about what we all love so much. I agree 100% that there are many tools in the toolbox and lots of ways to get it done. My point about Bigdan was not that he doesn't call, its that he doesn't cow call and certainly doesn't use a hoochie mama. He only bugles when he calls elk and he has over 50 bull elk harvested with a bow. I think that track record speaks for itself. To each his own. I'll stick by what I said when I mentioned that saying it's "silly" not to have a hoochie mama might be taking it too far. Good luck this fall, Nick

Montana Black Gold makes some quality stuff. Can't comment on the model you mentioned but I would look at the Flashpoint line. Nick

Bucknasty!

Silly not to have one? I think you might have taken that one step too far. I know of lots of guys that are straight elk killers that have probably never touched a hoochie mama. One of these guys NEVER cow calls! To back up what I'm saying, check out the Elk forums on Bowsite and look for a guy named Bigdan from Montana. He's got over 50 bull elk killed and killed 3 P&Y bulls on public land in one year, one of which was a giant AZ bull. I'd like to hear you tell Bigdan he's silly for not hooching with his track record and experience, and see what he has to say!

If you need to use a hoochie mama to communicate with the elk, you should go to Elknut.com and get some of his tapes and learn to use a diaphragm call. Hands free and most natural elk sounds you can produce. Just have to get the hang of it.

Wow! That is a pretty happy ending to a very up and down adventure. Sorry you won't be able to enjoy the meat, but your persistence is to be commended. You should be very proud of yourself. I'm very happy that you recovered him afterall! Nick

Good to know...thanks! here the latest on the topic...The BL's are excellent, however, the ED's do have better edge sharpness and higher color resolution.

I'm having the same issue as you. I don't mind spending the money if I know I will get the performance out of it, but I have a hard time paying $1000 more for something for like fractions of difference. The top 3 I am considering are the Minox 15x58, the Kaibabs, and of course the Swarovskis. I have used the Minox 15x58's. I used them on my pronghorn hunt just a few weeks ago. I borrowed them from a friend. I can tell you that they are big and heavy. I have somewhat of a narrow face and they seemed to work OK for me, but I think the others will probably fit me better. I have also looked through the Swarovski a bit, but never a side by side comparison in the field with either one. Bottom line, the Minox performed well for me, but I don't think they are as clear and bright as my 10's. But they do reach way out there. If you don't plan on doing extremely long distance glassing for optics, something like a 12X might work for you. I already have some pretty nice 7x35's and some 10x50's so I am mostly in the market for 15's but I am also curious about the 13x Minox binos. I think I called Cameraland about that once and they said the 15's were better by a lot. So take that for what it's worth. For $499 open box or $549 new for the Minox, I don't think you could go wrong. I've also heard that the Kaibab is a "best buy" for the category, and it's pretty much undisputed that the Swarovskis are the KING. Not sure how well the Leica's with the rangefinder fit in there either, but I bet they do pretty good. I need to try the Kaibab's before I buy, but I am guessing that's the way I'll end up going. Ditto what Trent said on the tripod. Nick

Hunters with the lack of consideration described above are our worst enemy for sure! How can someone be that stubborn or clueless?

Always nice to hear both sides of a story! Good on ya Brian for looking into this matter and responding. Very upstanding if you ask me. I'm very sorry to hear that this happened to you My2! I would be pissed too at first, but in the grand scheme of things I seriously doubt they would have done that if they had any idea you were on the herd. Either way, I'm sorry to hear of your misfortune and I really hope you were able to find another nice buck and get it done. Nick