CouesSlayer

It's been in it's Primos soft case since January in my garage...the string is getting a tiny bit frayed, when do you change it?

How many of you Arizonans drew 23??? SHEESH !!!! It's ridiculous! hahahaha

Wait one more question- Do you forfeit the tag when you get the landowner's permission for the permit?

Kev- Much obliged

So what if you drew a tag somewhere else, can a landowner still give you permission to hunt on their ranch?

Good buck, has to be 91-95 I would say. Great opportunity for ya.

That would be awesome! I really want to be successful since I finally drew the tag! I'll let you know about any bucks I see when I go up there.

HAHAHAHA!!!!! Maybe they should have squirrel tags so some people can feel good about drawing something! I haven't gotten a tag in three years and finally got one this year, I must say it feels pretty good HAHAHAHA!

I got the third archery hunt in 16b, think it runs september 19-24. That would be awesome if you could help me out on that. I just need to find a good group with some bulls that will be screamin'. Im sure you will find some pretty good bucks you just need to walk or ride. Thanks a lot!

Not sure, any leftover tag in NM definitely won't be quality. But if you are just looking to get out I'm sure something will turn up, especially for archery. Maybe give the department a call. I have gotten skunked on 16 for the last two years, I just got lucky this year somehow. Any sugggestions,not areas or anything, just general info. Thanks hope this helped.

Mule Deer Special note - The season dates for the archery deer hunts in Unit 27 have changed beginning in August 2003. Refer to current year's hunt regulations for season dates and any/all changes. Overview: Unit 27 is home to a diversity of landscapes. The elevation ranges from 3500 feet at Clifton to 9300 feet at the Mogollon Rim. The unit then slopes to 8000 feet at Alpine. Going north on Hwy 191, you pass through several vegetation zones. The area around Clifton is semi-desert, followed by chaparral, pinyon-juniper, ponderosa pine, and spruce-fir at the Rim. Proceeding towards Alpine, you go through mixed conifers and ponderosa pine. All the area north of the Rim is high pine country. Vehicle access north of the Rim is abundant. The area has many two-track roads, as well as some main roads that are periodically maintained. All are open for travel, except those that are posted as closed by the Forest Service. The area has several developed campgrounds, and camping in undeveloped sites is allowed everywhere, unless posted as "No Camping." Please obey all rules and regulations. Do not litter, and leave a clean camp. Vehicle access south of the Rim is limited. The only paved roads are Hwy 191, which runs on a south-north axis from Clifton to Alpine. Another is Hwy 78 in the southern part of the unit. This highway also forms part of the unit’s southern boundary. There are three other maintained dirt roads; Forest Road (FR) 475 (Juan Miller), FR 217 (Upper Eagle Creek), and FR 515. FR 475 runs east from Hwy 191 to the Blue River. FR 217 goes west from Hwy 191 then north to Honeymoon Campground. FR 515 is a new four-wheel drive road going from Hwy 191 to FR 217 in Eagle Creek. FR 515 is a 4X4-only hunter access road built by the Forest Service using an Arizona Game and Fish Heritage Grant. It is advisable to acquire an Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest map. All roads and trails can be easily located on the map. Due to the elevation difference, weather can vary. Rain and/or snow is not uncommon during the deer hunt. Deep snow is common at the higher elevations and present at lower elevations. Cold can be extreme at higher elevations. The unit’s rivers and washes can reach flood stage in a short period of time. Be prepared for any kind of weather. Areas: Mule deer can be found throughout the unit. Most of Unit 27 is comprised of public lands, with the largest landholder being the U.S. Forest Service. The extreme southern part of the unit has some BLM, State Trust, and private lands. There have never been any access problems in the unit, but it is always advisable to check land status when hunting in country you are not familiar with. Four Bar Mesa – Open grassland area on both sides of US 191, bordered on the east by Turkey Creek and on the west by Sheep Wash. Both are deep, rough canyons. Primary vegetation is pinyon-juniper. This area has probably the highest concentration of mule deer in the unit south of the Rim. This is also an area with a high concentration of hunters. Easy hiking area until you drop into Turkey Creek or Sheep Wash. FR 475 - FR 475, also called the Juan Miller Road, runs east of US 191. This road is very popular with mule deer hunters, and hunting can be good on either side of this road. Going east on the 475 road, you cross the Blue River. After three miles you come to the Stacy Ranch. This is the start of the Coalson Jeep Trail, which is an extremely rough road that snakes east about 13 miles to the Coalson place. It dead-ends there. Hunting is fair to good all through that area. Again, be advised that this is a very primitive road, and the surrounding area is very rough. Boots with plenty of ankle support are highly recommended and four-wheel drive vehicles are required! Upper Blue River – This area is excellent mule deer habitat. Access is on FR 281 and FR 567. FR 281 leaves US 180 at Alpine, and proceeds 34 miles to the south. It ends at an old homestead called the Smith Place. With few exceptions, this is the only vehicle access into this area. The land on either side of the roads is the Blue Primitive Area, which is off limits to vehicles. FR 567 leaves US 191 at Beaver Creek and proceeds east and south, joining FR 281 at Blue River. As mentioned, vehicle access is very limited, however, there are plenty of hiking trails. The area is very steep and rough. Be prepared for serious hiking. It is excellent horseback country. Another precaution that must be considered is land status. The Blue River bottom is mostly private land. Be advised that landowners in the area do not allow camping or hunting on their lands. Camp and hunt only on public lands, which are abundant. North of Mogollon Rim - Mule deer hunting in Unit 27 north of the Mogollon Rim is scattered. This area primarily consists of high pines, and vehicle access is good. The area north and west of Hannagan Meadow can be good. There is lodging and food at Hannagan Meadow Lodge. Eagle Creek - Leaving US 191 and traveling on FR 217, you come to Eagle Creek. Going east of FR 217 are several roads into areas that offer fair to good hunting. They are FR 515 that goes past Black Mountain and back to US 191. The next one is FR 46, also called the Bear Canyon Road. This road goes east about six miles, ends, and becomes a trail. North of the 46 road is the 49 road, also called the Mud Springs Road. This road also ends and turns into a hiking trail. These areas are mostly pinyon-juniper habitat with some open grasslands. Other areas – The Hagan Corral area, Strayhorse and Crabtree Canyons are located north of Rose Peak. These can be good hunting for early seasons such as the September archery hunt. Hahahaha these are not my words.

What elk hunt did you try for? I have seen some monster bucks in powderhorn while looking for elk, one nice buck was about 28 inches or so with two kickers. Is it a rifle or bow hunt?

lance Sorry my hunt is in nm

Lance that is going to be quite a buck I believe Those cameras are sweet I wish I could get into that stuff, need to find out the quality of bulls in my unit.

Just wondering if anyone else drew this bad boy . Also, does anyone have advice it's my first bow elk hunt. Thanks guys.

Which portion of 16?

16b third archery elk hunt and 27 January coues tag! so stoked

Scratch that! 27 coues baby!!!!!!

Ok I'm pretty satisfied I got Jan Mulie in 24 and a 16b archery elk tag life is good.

Almost there............................................load load load

How the heck are they getting through! This sucks

Amen to that. The citizens of The Land of Enchantment are pretty dang pissed off!

I thought we didn't need to use our ssn and all that because of our login names and all that jazz.

Can they do ANYTHING right? hahaha

Their website is a piece of crap, you would think that they would figure it out by now Hahahaha! Good luck!!!