SunDevil

nikon buckmasters

you need to let those deer grow a little before you start flinging arrows at them. nice spot you have. good luck!

Spencer, your son drew a great tag. there are literally a TON of places to hunt in 33. does he want a coues or a mule deer? that tag is good for either. I do not know much about mule deer in 33 but coues are pretty much everywhere. with that early hunt you will have first crack at them and they will be in spots they will not be in later on in Oct, Nov and Dec. you can take your quads. there are lots of nasty roads in 33 that you can get around on in a 4X4 but the going is a lot easier and faster in a quad. however, one does not have to wander to far from the main roads to glass up coues deer. check the g&f site for info on places to hunt. you will find deer in all of those spots and fortunately there will be a lot less hunters out in the unit during your sons hunt then there are in Oct and Nov. let us know how your scouting trips go. good luck. chris.

just curious. CB

heck yea but then I love good eye guards. he probably still has 6 - 7 more weeks to grow. that right G1 looks like it is going to either split or be palmated. nice big old puddy knife action there. thanks for posting. I love this time of year.

one of my favorites is cherry pie filling on the bottom, devil's food chocolate cake in the middle, chocolate chips sprinkled over the cake mix and then a can of coke poured on top of all of it. it only takes about 20 minutes for the cake mix to cook and then you are SET!

so are they going to stick us for another $7.50 app fee?

I would get a doubler also. Scout'm has one and it pretty nice. They only cost about $40 and 80X optical with a doubler is a whole lot better than 80X digital.

longshot - one of the things you need to ask yourself is what kind of terrain you like to hunt. down low in ocotillos, mid elevation with grass and oaks/junipers or up high in pine trees. 33 offers all three types of hunting and you should decide which type you prefer and can then go from there. good luck.

nothin for Scout'm or I. looks like we will try for an Oct left over tag and use our back up 23 NM tags.

OK - you guys are KILLIN ME. let me say again for the record, I DO NOT feel slighted. I am NOT cryin'. I am NOT bellyachin'. I am NOT irritated. I DO NOT have sour grapes. In fact I congratulate the winners and hope they all harvest booners. also, I completely understand and appreciate the good use the money is put towards. yes it is like the lottery. a non resident could buy a ticket and win but the money from all the other non residents stays right here in AZ. yes I was a little surprised to see 6 of the 11 winners were non residents. this made me wonder a couple of things. 1) is the primary purpose of the raffle to generate money? if so that is fine and they are doing a great job. if not, what is the primary purpose and should something be changed. 2) what peoples thoughts were about the Super Raffle vs the UT Sportsman's Permit raffle which is only available to UT residents. 3) what were other peoples thoughts about 6 of the 11 winners being non residents. that is all. thank you and good night lucy.

Come on Casey - you know who has the better athletic department. if not I will remind you (see #10 vs #24). http://nacda.cstv.com/

hope nobody plans on hunting solano or redondo canyons this year.

I called the bank last night and my checks had not cleared. I dropped my apps off the day before they were do.

as stated, you really do need to see which one fits you best. I have a friend who used the Minox one day and sold them. I also have a friend who used the 15X Fujis for one day and gave them to his son. They just didn't fit them and they got headaches from looking through them for an extended period of time.

that is a sweet spot you have set up there.

DesertSheep was correct in what he stated in his post. Coues deer hunting is not as popular to NM hunters as mule deer hunters. Because of this, there are not that many NM residents who apply for coues deer hunts and the tags are left over and go to the non residents who do apply for them. I think I remember from the NM draw odds stats from last year that zero NM residents applied for the 2nd whitetail hunt in unit 23. I am sure the same was true for this year and thus the reason why there are quite a few non residents heading to NM to hunt coues deer in unit 23 this Nov. Personally, I do not believe too many AZ tags are given out to non residents. To the contrast, I agree AZ has gotten tighter towards the non residents with increased fees, max 10% cap and requiring the purchase of a license in order to apply. Are we worse than some western states? Maybe but probably not as bad as others. Have you ever noticed the non resident fee for sheep in NM? $3K. That is more than double AZ's cost of $1,400.

Terry, I noticed your response failed to answer some of my questions. As you are a professional guide I can see and understand your opinion. If I was in your shoes I would want as much money going to investing and protecting the resource I rely on to support myself. I no doubt agree that the money is put to good use. I only question whether the Super Raffle's primary purpose is to generate money. If it is than they are doing the right thing. If it is not than I think the people in charge of the raffle should revisit how they are administering it. You are correct in that your ticket had just as much chance as the other peoples. You personally did not have just as much chance as someone else who maybe purchased 2 or 3 tickets. Once again, I do not know how my post was taken as being "slighted". I most certainly do not feel that way. I am surprised at your response about NM, WY or UT hunters. All you have to do is go back and look at posts in the Hunting NM forum and you will find numerous comments about NM hunters questioning the number of non residents hunting in their state. Specifically, why they allow 22% to go to non residents while AZ only allows 10%. They can thank USO for that one. I personally had a cousin in UT who didn't talk to me for several months because he was so ticked when I drew and antelope tag on my third year of applying when he had been applying for many more years than that. I guess one of my last points and questions is if AZ has deemed it appropriate for the max number of non resident hunters to DRAW tags is 10%, why is it okay for 55% of the raffle tags to go to non residents?

So I do not quite get how my post was seen as cryin' or bellyachin'. Isn't one of the purposes of this forum to generate discussion? That is what I was trying to do. How is stating my opinion and asking legitimate questions cryin' or bellyachin? I sent my money in and knew well ahead of time that the odds were slim. I logged in and entered my credit card number just the same. But as an AZ native and someone who personally believes there is something wrong with 6 of the 11 winners being non residents, I think I am entitled to my opinion without being called out as a cryer or bellyacher. In fact I would still have the same opinion even if I had been one of the winners.

so 6 of the 11 winners were non residents? what does everyone think of this? congrats to Eric on his sheep tag. does anyone know how much money the Super Raffle generates compared to before the Super Raffle went into place? In '06 the Super Raffle generated $146,600 for the sheep tag. How does this compare to the money the sheep organization raised when they handled the raffle themselves? What about elk? Last year the Super Raffle generated $150,340 for the elk tag. Before the Super Raffle did the G&F give raffle tags to both RMEF and AZ Elk and how much money did they generate on their own? another question is how many Optics packages were donated by Swarovski prior to the Super Raffle? Was it more than one? If so that has to be considered. what do people think about how they do it in Utah. Tickets are only $5, they are sold only to residents and you have to pick which species you are going to apply for because you only get 1 ticket. no offense to the non residents, congrats on your tags but I personally have a slight problem with over half of these tags going to non residents. also, I am not sure but I think there is no limit to the number of Super Raffle tickets a person could buy. This does not make it an even playing field between the average joe and the more wealthy. I know people will argue this point and say it is not about money but I am of the belief that money is the root of 99.99% of decisions. There is no way AZ would move to a resident based, single entry system like UT because it would result in a significant financial loss. is the primary purpose of these raffle tags purely to generate money? I can see and thought the primary purpose of the auction tags were to generate money but would not think that was the primary purpose of the raffle tags. seems like the current system is a little flawed to me. THOUGHTS???

that is what is referred to as MAKIN' BACON

congrats to the Beavers and the PAC10. I am not positive but I am pretty sure OSU was undefeated in post season games. started out with a 1 hit 1-0 victory over Michigan and went on from there. Pretty amazing after having a losing record in the PAC10 and barely squeaking into the post season in the first place. Also amazing to repeat as national champs after losing 7 of 8 position starters to MLB.

looks hot and dry

I could be wrong but I have been to Cabelas several times and the 'Outhouse' a whole lot and it seems to me Sportsman's has slightly better prices on guns.

Scout'm and I drew 23 WT Nov 10 - 14. It was our 3rd choice. Hopefully we will find 'em again this year. We did not have much success last year on our scouting trips. Good luck to all!