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Nice finds, good pictures. Kent

Doug is the man as usual. If at the range just put a round target at 100 yds, center looking through your barrel. Dial your cross hairs until they are centered also always making sure you didn't move the gun any. When the barrel is centered and the scope is centered, shoot, you'll be within 8 inchs easy, usually less at 100. Kent

Attack chipmunks are hard to train but once you do the bad guys better watch their nuts. Kent

Not getting in the Bill and Rick debate but political clout is something we need to look at and some are discussing this right now on MM. It's a new political arena today and if we look at how other small in percentage but large in influence groups do it, that may be the answer. Here's a repeat of my post during the brainstorming session. I honestly believe we are looking at the answer. Our society and lives are being changed by public opinion driven by 'Blogs', if that's the correct term, not reason and logic. We have to adapt to this style of getting the message out. It's telling how fast a responce we received from the dept when we took the issue to the public on these websites concerning the A/B tags and price increases. I again want to thank Mr. Wakeling for answering in a timely manner. We need to expand on this. If untruthfulness can change our country because of the power of ’Blogging'. Then maybe the truth will regain it’s power doing the same. I can see in the near future a dedicated blogging site for G&F issues in this state that the hunting public can express themselves from their computers on issues, polls constructed by anyone on any issue and even petitions to take to the Legislature. We can sway public opinion also, took us this long to see it. I can see this expanding to emailing alerts to all licensed hunters in a data base and putting real political pressure right back on. We will not be ‘onesided’ by the G&F political spin machine anymore. This case here wasn’t spin, just some info added without explanation, a learning experience. The power of a blogging site is that everyone can see what others are feeling about an issue and can discuss it together. There will never be total agreement but it is evident how the majority feel. Just having an email response doesn’t allow everyone to see what other’s are saying and the political spinners can cherry pick the responses that suit them. Giving a few minutes at a commission meeting doesn’t get the back and forth for new ideas to develop. In the past we have went through channels individually or in specialized groups and therefore separated and defeated. We’ve tried the reasonable and logical responses to the political spin and propaganda shoved our way and feel frustrated and powerless. We can only sit around dumbfounded for so long before we realize we can use the same tactics that are changing our country and state to our advantage. If I was the G&F, I would be the first to add this to my site. Not that you will be able to control the responses, but it would be a win politically, it’s coming one way or another. Kent

There's nothing quite like the brisk air of a fall morning. Working across the valley or mountainside in anticipation of seeing the glint of an antler in the distance, the bugle of a bull in his full glory, the flash of a white tail dancing ahead. Then, PPPUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!! Having an expolsion under your feet, sometimes seemingly right up your inseam. Crazy buggers! I'd rather encounter a rattlesnake, I ain't skeered of them. Kent

Look at JB's post above mine for clarification, truer words were never written! Kent

Doug, dang, another bug I didn't know about before. I guess it would depend on if they were mostly around the sock and belt line if they were chiggers or not. You got me itching again. Those stinking biting knats that get in your ears and face when sitting and glassing are just as bad, deet does the job there also. I kinda like them because the deer don't have deet and it's easy to see them bedded, flicking their ears and shaking their Heads. Kent

You must have a tag to take a deer, archery is over the counter and you can only hunt in an appropiate season. Unless you are in an area that will have leftover tags where you live archery will be the only choice. If you get a rifle tag you will only be able to shoot out your window if your property has no one else living within 1/4 mile, or permission granted. Kent

Racoon maybe, first thing I thought of. Kent

Being's how my Dad was born and raised in the Pima/Thacher/Safford area, when I was finally allowed to go deer hunting it was in the Eagle Creek and/or Alma Mesa areas. After my first encounter with mearns my Granddad gave me these words of wisdom. "Them fool's quail will be testing the weave of your shorts fer sure" Kent

Fool's quail. Kent

Now I'm itching just thinking about it, THANKS! Kent

Last summer my brother said he must have gotten in poison ivy or something. I asked him if it was around his sock line and he said yes, chiggers. He bought something at the store called 'chigger rid' said it worked. Kent

Deet, the 100% stuff. 2006 we had a wet July and Aug, new grass everywhere. Hiked into the Matazals scouting for coues and water sources the end of aug. Layed down in some soft grass in the shade for a nap and a day latter was scratching on my sock and belt line, miserable. Never knew we had chiggers in Az. New vegetation = noseeums. Deet took care of the problem. Of course I had to research a cure and what I read from a university research report is that the chiggers don't burrow in you, it's the hatchling's and they sucreat an acid in your skin and then eat the byproduct and it's the acid that causes the sores. Putting something like polish on it covers it from the air and helps the itching. Which I did also and that worked. I like hot pink. Kent

I'm leaving in the morning to the Mts, I hope it rains some in the afternoons, best naps I've ever had are during rain showers. PS, I'm not going to be here when Amanda comes back. Kent

.....The rain just thought about it here in Mesa and then didn't do much..... Kent

The funniest thing is this reminds me of a young mother telling everyone their revelation on children now they have one. No one's ever been through this before. It was common in my GF's day, my Dad's day, when I was young, all the way to today. This is nothing I haven't experienced in my 40 yrs of hunting at least every other year to one of my "secret spots", which have been hunted since time unending if there were animals there by someone. It's just amusing now, like listening to the young mother who knows all there is about children and how theirs will be special. Walking away nodding my head, sure/sure. Kent

Tree rat vs Desert Rat, since I'm a half breed I guess I can't take sides or really be accepted by either. It's funny, in my family history going back to the late 1800's the Tree rats were the educators, builders, farmers and yes hunters in this state. The Desert rat side were miners, ranchers, farmers and yes hunters. Who were more old school and closer to the land? Both. I don't know if I should be offended by both sides, just one or neither in that debate. I'll just smile it off but that's a large stretch either way to try and win this debate. Magazine articals are all a bunch of BS anyway, even the super hero's in the national mags's stories are elaborated beyond reality. I don't think this is a suprise. There were other hunts that were praised on here with animals that the hunt unit was known, they were right to be praised, no offence taken. It's the level of venom that is directed back and forth from guys I really like that aren't named Nate, that is concerning. If some venom comes my way for saying anything so be it, I'm part rattler also so won't hurt me. You Tree rats better go to Vegas or something this weekend, us Desert rats are coming up. Have a great weekend all and a safe 4th. Kent

This has to be more than someone read a magazine artical. No one gets this mad unless it's personal. This is frothing at the mouth, mad. Insiteing others that have no idea what the story is or really about. Insulting anyone that doesn't automatically see it your way. You should have kept it private. Without having a link or copy of the story provided all I see is a guy killed a really big buck, was excited and made money on it with an article and maybe some promotions. As far as getting so excited he told a little to much, like he killed it around Globe in the Pinals, and you guys just put all that out right here. I've seen the same from guided clients on the internet when they were excited also, I saw nothing wrong with that but where was the public outrage then. Outfitters promote units and areas on their websites or to clients all day long, generating more interest than a mag article. Wonder how these oldschool unwritten laws apply to that. Now I'm not against the outfitting industry in most cases but I'm not going to be insited into a rage over some lucky guy that only did the same thing that happens all the time in a less than experienced way, make money on a big animal. Kent

WOW! great necklace beads and nettle also. Need to get some leather string and string those beads, your wife can wear them 1000 yrs after. Kent

That's the problem with this post. The first one almost sounds like a backdoor promo to generate interest and sales. So there's going to be all kinds of speculation on what's going on without facts. My experience tells me the truth is usually in the middle. Kent

How many guys are calling this one area Their honeyhole? For those of us that won't bother reading the mag, is this a GPS coor, general area or a hunt unit that was given out? Kent

If you are hunting and can check out license plates at the same time, must not be too big of a secret. I didn't know Az had any secret areas left, only ones people have no desire to go into. I guess it's alright to divulge secret trophy areas to clients or whoever if they are willing to pay, I'm sure they'll keep it hush, hush. After one year and all the hordes have come and seen no trophy animals from the roads, word will spread of the wasteland and it will become even less crowded thereon after, did you a favor. Don't know a bit about any of it, just some amusing thoughts I had. Kent

Great arrowheads!!! Kent

Yep, I need to go back. Great pics and story!!! Kent