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I'll tell ya what, if I get at least 20 pledges for 10 bucks cash each, to be put in an envelope I bring, that I will reveal and give to the recipient at the end... I'll go. Kent

“It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, who keep on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men”-SAMUEL ADAMS, 1776 The orgs didn't stop 2072, irate individuals that learned of it on sites like this... if we'd all waited a month and a half, it'd already be law. I love how those that try to 'open' people's minds with details and reality... are told to 'shut' up by those afraid of the truth. Kent

Again, I will say that I think posting this type of request in a forum is not the most effective way to set up a meeting with the ADA board. I have given you John's contact info so that you can set up a meeting with him or have him set up a meeting with other board members. John has stated he is more than willing to meet with you prior to the meeting. If you want to present information to the board, I suggest you call him and arrange a time and place for that. Amanda. again, My initial response a couple weeks ago was to John's challenge right here on this site and in this thread. I'm not requesting anything, he was... tell him. The post you quoted was to Warbird and his childish rant. Kent

This last post was not to Amanda... I have to go to work. Kent

I offered almost two weeks ago to accumulate my research and bring it to the meeting, even premeeting with some of the board if time was a factor, even involving other nonmembers. I stated I needed the time to do this... Silence was my answer... I swear the ignorance astounding. Kent

LOL... I've got 50 maybe 100 posts in these threads and hours of research on multiple subjects. Go back and rebut the real issues. Kent

Amanda, just for the record, I didn't want to meet John per se. I offered my support of the meeting and the 10.00 donation suggestion within certain parameters, John challenged me. I was the one with the leverage, offered my terms in different ways as each was rejected by the ADA silence... I spoon fed the ADA a PR draw to the meeting, John meets Kent... What I've discovered during this last month is when the orgs get out of the conservation issues and try to maneuver in the political arena, they have no clue... and the mess of azsfw is the result. ADA is still mired in the support/nonsupport of azsfw, for those of us past that point it's like watching grass grow... I can't watch anymore. Kent

Well, the quotes all related to the meeting evening, I guess they need to be read in the topic context. I've put as much or more effort into my posts this last month than anyone on this site. I've researched more coming in blind as an outsider and I believe brought some insightful angles that wouldn't have even been broached. But every one was extremely important and had an agenda. Since those quotes I went another direction that worked. Kent

YVRGC and AES claim to have and are no longer listed on the azsfw site as org members. Kent

Kent... If I thought Ryan's guidelines would be the focus of the meeting, I'd show up in support of ADA, with a coffee can for 10.00 donations and my 10 spot the first in the bottom... if it's a damage control exercise and no direction, nope. John... You should really attempt to come to the ADA board meeting. Your conspiracy theories and statements are not even close to being on target. If you wish to do a service to those on this site, come to the meeting and lets have a civil discussion face to face. Regards BPJ... Kent... If Amanda or the other ADA leaders want this for the meeting, If there is still a question that SFW needs to be gone and me spending the next weeks amassing the evidence in a structural timeline for your members, then I'll do it. My presentation will take the entire meeting, I won't put the effort in if I'm cutoff after a couple minutes. If the meeting is about moving past sfw and getting back on track on some important issues... I will come with my coffee can and you can lecture me in private, I will listen, shake your hand and not even comment. Chef... I think it would be a good thing to have Kent and John meet and talk for a while before the ADA meeting. Kent... I don't have a problem meeting with John and listening. But if this is a public trial of sfw and I'm then expected to address the members, that will take a much different effort on my part to prepare, than just going and making a public showing with my 10.00 solicitation can that I support ADA'a new direction. What is the purpose of this meeting now? John and I debating or moving past sfw? honest question. I will continue to pound the sfw issue until it is not relevant and then switch gears to the next step without further thought of sfw. I'd like to address the commission on the Utah tag sell issue and see where they stand on bringing it back. Can't if we are still unsure where the orgs stand on supporting sfw and they looking over the commissions back with the review board. So it's relevant for me to know how the meeting stands before I walk in and what role I'll be playing. Kent... If this meeting is a 2072 review for the members before the board meets in the future to decide on support of azsfw, most of us are way past this. I don't think there is anything fresh to say about 2072 that hasn't been detailed here. For some reason I figured the board would listen and then make a decision before the meeting broke. I have no interest in going to a meeting not ending with a conclusion. John... I think it would be best if you and I had some time to discuss issues prior to the meeting. Amanda has my contact info. I would be willing to talk or meet earlier that day. BPJ Kent... John, if I go to the meeting I will contact you prior and we will make an arrangement... Kent... Ryan, it would probably make sense to have a couple of the board members and a couple of us anti sfw premeet before. If Amanda or Chef set it up I'm in, whether I stay for the meeting or not.

And yet, when I answered with different scenarios that I'd be willing to accommodate, even participate in support... nothing. John isn't my audience I'm reaching out to, I already know his agenda. Finally a couple of other ADA members came out, that was my agenda. And my question is still not answered... lol Kent

There's been plenty of questions asked and ignored by ADA, pretty much all of them. Something I've asked a few times is when was the dues paid to azsfw last as it is crucial in the timeline of Super PAC requalification, HB2072's swift push through at the very beginning of the legislative session in Jan, a huge election year both Nationally and locally and whether they may have the resources to continue cut off from the orgs. I've brought up a multitude of issues with no response except from the few of us passionate about the answers or John calling me a conspiracy theorist and actually misrepresenting my words as his evidence. ADA has even publicly ignored their own members that finally pushed for answers or clarification themselves. I have presented different platforms where I would be interested in attending after being challenged by John and then Chef to meet prior. Not one peep... not even an 'explicative' off. Considering lack of response on these politically charged threads by ADA and waiting 1 1/2 months to even consider a response publicly, I have no confidence that a resolution can be found in 60 mins. After all the effort/research I put into all my posts, I have to respectfully disagree that having a 2 min statement in a 60 min meeting on whether ADA should continue to support azsfw is worth my time or find solutions to the real problems. I do want to thank you Amanda and CWT for having given me a platform to speak. Good luck. Kent

We've already been blown off... Kent

Don't have a lot of time right now, but could be a reaction that the Arizona Senate Judiciary Committee passed Senate Bill 1474 by a 5 to 3 vote this last week. http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2012/02/arizona-senate-judiciary-committee-passes-campus-personal-protection-bill!.aspx SB 1474 would prohibit a public university, college, or community college from adopting or enforcing any policy prohibiting the lawful carry of a concealed weapon by a valid concealed permit holder, or regulating the lawful transportation or storage of a firearm on the grounds of the institution. This self-defense reform would simply enable those legally allowed by state and federal law to carry for self-defense to do so on a college or university campus. The NRA fully supports this bill as introduced, and commends the effort by the Arizona legislature to curtail an invisible and arbitrary boundary relating to where a person can lawfully carry a firearm for self-defense. Kent

This bear didn't like the camera setup and just had to adjust my camera to get his better side...

Ha! went to San Carlos on tuesday and friday... caught enough for a fry tonight with friends if we add pork sandwiches... but slow yet. Kent

Thanks Gino, figured I needed to contribute something hunting related after all the political issues I fired up... lol. This bear sequence just tickled me, animals do the strangest things. Kent

I'm not a fan of fear mongering and it's as old as religion, statistically it gets results from those that are not able to use rational thought on an issue... more of a donation producer than a vote producer, which is fine I suppose. Redman is right in that the President can't abolish the 2nd amendment. We need to win the Senate this election cycle. Our biggest danger we face with another Obama administration is the Supreme court appointees, a liberal court can do extensive damage to our 2A rights and some of our Conservative judges are hanging on as it is hoping for a GOP presidency so they can retire... it's 5 to 4 now, we'll lose the supreme court if Obama is reelected. Kent

Anyone know what time azsfw will have their statement out? This will help moving forward in the coming weeks, meetings and banquets. It's good that they are going to break their silence and have been working diligently for 10 days on their statement... Hope the HB2639 amendment issue didn't cause a delay in their 10 day time limit. Kent

The history of SFW and special tags in various states is directly related to our issue of 2072 and should be studied to understand 'ALL' the implications. The MDF/SFW partnership and the Utah Expo has also been portrayed as a justifying model of 2072 and the money it would bring to the state in attendance. Looking into that history and realizing that WHCE is benefiting from one or more of our tags, means it should be brought up as an issue. MDF's own words, aug 4 2010 in their application to the DWR for tags... The Mule Deer Foundation in conjunction with our partners SFW have raised over $15 million dollars for wildlife since 2007 when the WHCE held it's first convention in Salt Lake City. The WHCE attracts outfitters/guides, exhibitors, attendees and corporate sponsors from several countries. The economic impact to the State of Utah is tremendous. I'll repeat that... The economic impact to the State of Utah is tremendous. Besides the Utah tags, at least one of our tags contribute to their economic impact. I want that Az tag impact removed from the state of Utah and put right here in Arizona. It may upset some of the big spenders for the short term and bring less money, but it will bring more prestige/economic impact to a venue and rise back up, creating value in the tag and the economy. Kent

Hope you had a good one amigo, see ya in Quemado. Kent

I don't want ADA to fail, I want them to rise up to their potential. This azsfw issue has caught us all by surprise and we are working through it. Most of what John and I are debating relates to his affiliation with azsfwc/azsfw/sfw/super PAC/Weiers/commission review board. Because John is the ADA president that puts it in limbo... I'm just trying to push it back on the right side so we all can move forward, sometimes the truth must be spoken forcefully and harshly even to friends. Kent

Allen, it's eerie how you brought up the exact content of HB2072 5 years ago and that you asked the questions that are so relevant today. I just stumbled on the thread through googleing something different, not searching this site... when the tag fee issue came up it was relevant and bell went off so I found it again. You've got a good foresight that is needed, I'd support your candidacy... I know of you from a mutual friend, Vince... he always say's we should meet and maybe we will someday, look forward to it. Kent

Cool! I still shudder thinking of your husband sleeping wrapped up in plastic like a fish in the deli shelf.... lol Good for you guys... Kent

Your PAC money influence at work... G&F commission takes a vote and makes an official statement on HB2072 in a meeting... in less than a month there is an attempt to silence them politically. Tag Grab II... coming soon to a legislature near you... Kent