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Some of us do not work well as part of an organization, or work best, or enjoy the politics of it, or feel restricted, or confined, or held back... There are a multitude of personalities in support of hunting community issues, each has it's place and at times it's own power above the others... I have made my place in the conservation scene, who will do what I do if I abandon it. A vortex was manufactured by the leadership of the orgs, it has sucked us all in. The individuals are the ones that jumped out first and came out fighting. This isn't about the conservation of Az wildlife... this is about political corruption and cronyism by those trusted within. I understand the investment and trust that the member orgs put in azsfw and how this was a surprise and difficult to accept... of course there are those who still support the premise of 2072. A turning point is upon you, one of those times in life worked for or unlooked for... be intelligent and recognize what it is and choose the right path, the old status quo is dead either way. We offer our hand to pull you out... be stubborn then drown. Kent

I really need the 10 spot pledges... consider it the price of admission. To bad I just gave away my last 'Popeil's pocket panty unwadder' I could have raffled it off to some attendees that are in desperate need... It's getting close, 99.999% I will be there with my hand out... bring 10 bucks. Kent

Maybe they could set up one of those tank dump chairs over the fish aquarium... I could charge 10 bucks a throw from the azsfw supporters... I'd make thousands... Kent

I'm up to 7... 13 more And for the record, I'm not one of the 5 troublemakers... I'm not like that... anymore... Kent

That has merit... but the azsfw threat must be addressed to the end and more importantly, even if it was dead today. We have to exercise the emotional demons in our hunting community it has generated. This emotional infection is festering and won't go away on it's own. Does anyone think I like having a spotlight on me, I originally just wanted to submit some info so people would think and be informed on real issues. Lets lance this boil and get as much infection to the surface, see if we can't start some healing and move on to issue like yours. Kent

If I get 20 pledges for 10 bucks I show at the meeting... you have to trust me on what it's for... lol Of course it seems some have trusted more money to worse causes... this is like chess and I'm 3 moves ahead. Kent

Thanks guys, I've got 6... 14 to go. Kent

Butters, no problem... my agenda on the posts were addressing Warbird and John as officials of ADA and their statements... It's obvious they are attempting to redirect the conversation off azsfw/2072 and the real issues... heck, I'm trying to generate 10.00 donations, exposure... and I can play any game they want. Kent

Butters, can I put you down for 10 bucks, I have 3 pledged already... need 17 more. Kent

Butters, the call-out... Warbird said... Get of your butt and move away from the keyboard and do something productive for deer in arizona. John said... Big deal. I was not aware that I was required to post everything I have ever done in my whole life to appease the crowd that only keyboards and is not involved in the process of attempting to work on wildlife. JK And not a call-out but appeal... Amanda said... Kent and everyone else, would you be willing to serve on the board of directors for the ADA or some other group? John and I have posted the need for new board members for the ADA many times in this forum over the years and got very little response. Get involved before these or other issues come up. Be proactive. If you don't like the direction the ADA has taken, why not work to get on the board and help change policy? I can go on about the things I've done, it takes a lot of my time... I've even been at banquets and have seen Amanda and ADA members at another table, though I had no reason to introduce myself. Seems ADA officials only recognize their own works and everyone else sits around... I never said ADA didn't do anything, just they weren't where I was and I can play the same game. Kent

I was honored to participate with the Scott brothers and the Region 4 G&F WMs and employees on this project... We didn't have many show up being independent, but the ones that did were old hands at construction and equipment, so it went right along... the caliche was the biggest problem, Troy just kept at it with his personally donated hoe and fuel until he defeated it... I didn't see ADA there.

I thought we covered the call-out on what we each do for conservation a couple weeks ago... guess John and Warbird have no other course but to do it again. It was sitting at the keyboard and/or using the phone that stopped 2072, so it has it's place... now I understand why this is a threat to those wanting 2072 type agendas. Anyway, ADA doesn't own the conservation platform and since ADA is calling me out... I call them out... Where were you when my wife and I spent 3 days at the 23 youth deer camp in oct... Here I'm getting ready to start cooking for the returning hunters. Here we are glassing this buck right from camp Fun times for all

If anyone wants to pledge a 10 spot that can't make the meeting, I'll post on wed morning where to send it to. Just pledge it here and get on the list. John and Warbird should have been first on the list, put their money where their mouth is. Kent

Stupid words by stupid people LOL your such a tool I see the same 5 trouble makers are still at it. Smackattack Chris, is that you... lol... muleyman/whiskeyman rides again... Lark, I'll throw it in for ya, if we even meet, by me a soda. kent

I'll tell ya what, if I get at least 20 pledges for 10 bucks cash each, to be put in an envelope I bring, that I will reveal and give to the recipient at the end... I'll go. Kent

“It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, who keep on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men”-SAMUEL ADAMS, 1776 The orgs didn't stop 2072, irate individuals that learned of it on sites like this... if we'd all waited a month and a half, it'd already be law. I love how those that try to 'open' people's minds with details and reality... are told to 'shut' up by those afraid of the truth. Kent

Again, I will say that I think posting this type of request in a forum is not the most effective way to set up a meeting with the ADA board. I have given you John's contact info so that you can set up a meeting with him or have him set up a meeting with other board members. John has stated he is more than willing to meet with you prior to the meeting. If you want to present information to the board, I suggest you call him and arrange a time and place for that. Amanda. again, My initial response a couple weeks ago was to John's challenge right here on this site and in this thread. I'm not requesting anything, he was... tell him. The post you quoted was to Warbird and his childish rant. Kent

This last post was not to Amanda... I have to go to work. Kent

I offered almost two weeks ago to accumulate my research and bring it to the meeting, even premeeting with some of the board if time was a factor, even involving other nonmembers. I stated I needed the time to do this... Silence was my answer... I swear the ignorance astounding. Kent

LOL... I've got 50 maybe 100 posts in these threads and hours of research on multiple subjects. Go back and rebut the real issues. Kent

Amanda, just for the record, I didn't want to meet John per se. I offered my support of the meeting and the 10.00 donation suggestion within certain parameters, John challenged me. I was the one with the leverage, offered my terms in different ways as each was rejected by the ADA silence... I spoon fed the ADA a PR draw to the meeting, John meets Kent... What I've discovered during this last month is when the orgs get out of the conservation issues and try to maneuver in the political arena, they have no clue... and the mess of azsfw is the result. ADA is still mired in the support/nonsupport of azsfw, for those of us past that point it's like watching grass grow... I can't watch anymore. Kent

Well, the quotes all related to the meeting evening, I guess they need to be read in the topic context. I've put as much or more effort into my posts this last month than anyone on this site. I've researched more coming in blind as an outsider and I believe brought some insightful angles that wouldn't have even been broached. But every one was extremely important and had an agenda. Since those quotes I went another direction that worked. Kent

YVRGC and AES claim to have and are no longer listed on the azsfw site as org members. Kent

Kent... If I thought Ryan's guidelines would be the focus of the meeting, I'd show up in support of ADA, with a coffee can for 10.00 donations and my 10 spot the first in the bottom... if it's a damage control exercise and no direction, nope. John... You should really attempt to come to the ADA board meeting. Your conspiracy theories and statements are not even close to being on target. If you wish to do a service to those on this site, come to the meeting and lets have a civil discussion face to face. Regards BPJ... Kent... If Amanda or the other ADA leaders want this for the meeting, If there is still a question that SFW needs to be gone and me spending the next weeks amassing the evidence in a structural timeline for your members, then I'll do it. My presentation will take the entire meeting, I won't put the effort in if I'm cutoff after a couple minutes. If the meeting is about moving past sfw and getting back on track on some important issues... I will come with my coffee can and you can lecture me in private, I will listen, shake your hand and not even comment. Chef... I think it would be a good thing to have Kent and John meet and talk for a while before the ADA meeting. Kent... I don't have a problem meeting with John and listening. But if this is a public trial of sfw and I'm then expected to address the members, that will take a much different effort on my part to prepare, than just going and making a public showing with my 10.00 solicitation can that I support ADA'a new direction. What is the purpose of this meeting now? John and I debating or moving past sfw? honest question. I will continue to pound the sfw issue until it is not relevant and then switch gears to the next step without further thought of sfw. I'd like to address the commission on the Utah tag sell issue and see where they stand on bringing it back. Can't if we are still unsure where the orgs stand on supporting sfw and they looking over the commissions back with the review board. So it's relevant for me to know how the meeting stands before I walk in and what role I'll be playing. Kent... If this meeting is a 2072 review for the members before the board meets in the future to decide on support of azsfw, most of us are way past this. I don't think there is anything fresh to say about 2072 that hasn't been detailed here. For some reason I figured the board would listen and then make a decision before the meeting broke. I have no interest in going to a meeting not ending with a conclusion. John... I think it would be best if you and I had some time to discuss issues prior to the meeting. Amanda has my contact info. I would be willing to talk or meet earlier that day. BPJ Kent... John, if I go to the meeting I will contact you prior and we will make an arrangement... Kent... Ryan, it would probably make sense to have a couple of the board members and a couple of us anti sfw premeet before. If Amanda or Chef set it up I'm in, whether I stay for the meeting or not.

And yet, when I answered with different scenarios that I'd be willing to accommodate, even participate in support... nothing. John isn't my audience I'm reaching out to, I already know his agenda. Finally a couple of other ADA members came out, that was my agenda. And my question is still not answered... lol Kent