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It's a mess for sure and I doubt they'll ever get it all figured out correctly. Maybe they'll finally toss in the towel and call Kalkomey.

I can look thru my past applications and in every instance, every species, "individual points" on the portal app screen are species points and the "group points" are combined, species/loyalty/hunter ed.

"it literally says "group points average"" And that's why I called licensing several years ago to inquire. It makes no sense to use that descriptor; they should leave the points off the screen.

You are looking at an "application" screen within the portal. The individual points column are species points for each individual, and group points are total species/loyalty/hunter-ed points. This screen doesn't show the combined and averaged points for the group even though the column is titled "group points". Doesn't really matter if some guy didn't actually apply, this screen thinks they did; I'm just telling you what those two point columns are showing. The upside is, this screen isn't a real time look at your application.

That is a correct screen for two apps, one with 8 species points and the other with zero, both having loyalty and hunter ed points.

The portal is nothing but an app that gives the user a look at their application history, by hooking into the application database, retrieving and formatting your data for viewing, with few exceptions like creating an addl username. It has no affect on any of your application data. It used to work, although slow to update, but it isn't needed to carry out the draw. You applied thru a different web address and changed credit cards thru a 3rd party processor. All it has done is cause frustration for everybody involved. Turn the dang thing off, run the draw, and provide email/telephone results. Just like they've done for years.

Their IT guy is a hack. It'll never work as long as his fingers are anywhere near it.

Best thing they could do is turn that worthless portal off.

AZ tags mailed by April 2, they don't post a results date.

The Joker can probably write code.

Because UT was smart enough to not hire the joker that created this mess.

3/4 x 1" gorilla tape

Because he has an account within the draw system. The portal is a separate entity that they are trying to link to the database and have failed miserably. They've regressed to the point of adding customer data to portal accounts by hand. They're doing that as a convenience so people can see their results, points, and other info, not because that data is needed for the draw to happen.

Ron Wold is the only guy I've seen that does true predictive odds based on year/year accumulated data but he only does Oregon. Gohunt and Toprut do run simulations for several states and the trend line Gohunt uses can be a predictor of sorts and seems to work pretty well. Toprut shows the individual point pools for hunts so you can see where you are vs the Gohunt trend line.

GoHunt doesn't show you your odds of drawing a hunt, they show you what your odds were for the previous draw. If you want to see those odds you use the points you had going into that draw. If you have 4 now, you had 3 then. If you want semi predictive odds for this year you need to look at last years individual point groups for the hunt you are interested in but that doesn't really work either; there are hundreds of applicants at every point level that only bought a point and those guys don't show up in the odds reports. You also have people that change hunt units as their points increase. GoHunt uses their trend line to show the points required over the past few years as kind of a predictor.