TAM

I bought a Swarovski doubler right when they first came out. I was very disappointed in the clarity and sold it on Ebay after just one outing with it. Save your money and buy a spotting scope.

Nice work!

Casey you are right on with that senario! No shot for either of us, especially at long range and a moving deer. But what happens when that buck pauses to take one last look back at you before he goes over the hill? Do you have enough time to make the shot before he moves on? Sooner or later this will happen to you! Like I said before, it's splitting hairs at this point and I'm just trying to do everything in my power to sway the odds in my favor. There is nothing wrong with your system, but you have to admit the Huskemaw system is very user friendly and flat out works! I also hate to inform you, but Murphy's Law says that after everything you just said in defense of your system... well, uh you're gonna be in a position this November on your deer hunt where one more second would have gotten the job done on that monster skull cap you've been dreaming all year about! Just be sure and let me know when it happens so I can say I told you so

When I'm feeling like getting close I just pick up my bow. Hunting with a rifle isnt' about getting close. so what is hunting with a rifle about? seeing how far away you can get before you make a reckless or wounding shot? Take is somewhere else dude! We were in the middle of a intelligent conversation. If you choose to disagree thats fine but don't hijack this topic and pick a fight just because you think you're better than us!

Thank you Casey you just proved my point All I have to do with my Huskemaw Optics System is range find my target and adjust the turrets to that range. With your system you have to range the target, look at your range card to find the correct number of clicks, then dial the turrets. Huskemaw = two steps then pull the trigger, Zeiss = three steps then pull the trigger. You may not think that one extra step is a big deal, and your probably right... most of the time. But for me I want to eliminate as many of the extra steps as possible. As I said before I have a Zeiss Conquest scope and love it! I'm not slammin other systems at all. I just like the simplicity of the Huskemaw system better. Also your comment about the ballistic calculator coming within 1 click of your rifles POI proves my other point. If you ONLY rely on the ballistic calculator to figure your drop chart, TDS reticle, or ballistic drop turrets then you are ONLY close with your long range POI, not dead on. The only way to be dead on is to do the field work yourself. One click off at a long range target could be the difference between hitting or missing, or worse yet killing versus wounding. I don't own a TDS type system so I really can't comment on them. For me they just don't seem flexible enough for my hunting needs. So Tim, let me run my process of figuring out my scope and clicks past you, and tell me if it is different then the Huskema. (I dont think that it is). A. Develop a load that shoots well, get 10+ rounds shot over the chronograph for average velocity. B. Plug all necessary info into the ballistics calculator that you posted and come up with my clicks (the divide by 4) C. Go shoot at ranges to check the clicks, if they are not dead on, fix them. Am I missing something, or is that pretty much what is done with the Huskemaw system also? And does that one extra step (reading 2 or 3 numbers on a piece of paper mounted to the stock) REALLY mean the difference between harvesting/not harvesting a deer? Casey, you're pretty much right on. One of the keys in the Huskemaw system is that when you provide them with your field data they are able to figure out what your true ballistic coeificient is and figure that into your turret. Yes, you could do that yourself and figure it into your drop chart that is taped on the stock of your rifle. As far as your last question is concerned let me just put it like this... while you are taking the one extra step in your system, so is the deer! Sometimes one step or one second is all it takes to loose an opportunity. Also for what it's worth there is the possibility that you read the wrong line or wrong number from your drop chart and then dial in the wrong number of clicks. This happened to me in Mexico this past year. This all may seem like splitting hairs to you, and the truth is you're right! When it comes to shooting my bow or rifle I will always try to do everything in my power to create the perfect system. With long range shooting you have very little room for error and I try to remove anything and everything that may be a problem. Don't get me wrong Casey, tbere is no doubt that you have a good reliable system and you've taken the time to practice at various ranges. When it comes to the moment of truth I'd bet money that the Huskemaw system would put you on target faster every time.

When I'm feeling like getting close I just pick up my bow. Hunting with a rifle isnt' about getting close.

Thank you Casey you just proved my point All I have to do with my Huskemaw Optics System is range find my target and adjust the turrets to that range. With your system you have to range the target, look at your range card to find the correct number of clicks, then dial the turrets. Huskemaw = two steps then pull the trigger, Zeiss = three steps then pull the trigger. You may not think that one extra step is a big deal, and your probably right... most of the time. But for me I want to eliminate as many of the extra steps as possible. As I said before I have a Zeiss Conquest scope and love it! I'm not slammin other systems at all. I just like the simplicity of the Huskemaw system better. Also your comment about the ballistic calculator coming within 1 click of your rifles POI proves my other point. If you ONLY rely on the ballistic calculator to figure your drop chart, TDS reticle, or ballistic drop turrets then you are ONLY close with your long range POI, not dead on. The only way to be dead on is to do the field work yourself. One click off at a long range target could be the difference between hitting or missing, or worse yet killing versus wounding. I don't own a TDS type system so I really can't comment on them. For me they just don't seem flexible enough for my hunting needs.

Yes Swarovski lets you enter the altitude and temperature, but it does not REQUIRE you to shoot your rifle at long distance to figure the drop chart. That is the problem with there system, it's a computer figuring it out with math. With the Huskemaw system you actually shoot the rifle at various ranges and provide them with the real life data and they make you a turret based on real life data. By actually shooting the rifle at various distances they are able to figure out the true ballistic coeficent. Most manufactures BC's they have listed on the box are inaccurate. Also the true BC of the bullet changes at different velocitys, just using the manufactures number listed on the box may get you by, but it won't be dead on. Yes Casey the Zies turrets are very nice. I have a set on my Conquest too, but doing all that math in my head at the moment of truth is beyond me. After all I barley passed high school and don't have one of them fancy degrees from NAU. The math is just one extra step the Huskemaw system eliminates. I really have no idea how long it takes to have them work on your rifle from Gunwerks, but it only takes about 10 days for them to make one of the custom turrets. There is no reason for you to send them your rifle unless you are just too lazy to sight it in for yourself. You are never stuck buying there rounds! You can use any rounds you like, factory or hand loads. In fact you can have different turrets made for different rounds. Remember they are customizing the turrets to your exact rifle/load, not the other way around. Amanda, Here is a link to a ballistic calculator. Play around with the different altitude and temperature adjustments and you should get a pretty good idea of how much effect these factors have on your POI. It will be more pronounced at longer ranges. I think a lot of people have a couple of turrets made for different elevation and temperature ranges. Temperature and Altitude will effect ANY turret or TDS type reticle, not just the Huskemaw. http://www.biggameinfo.com/BalCalc.aspx I'm not trying to say that this system is for everyone. As we learned from Redbeards recent thread "different strokes for different folks". Like anything there are pro's and con's that need careful consideration. In the end I feel like this system accounts for important data that the other systems don't, it also eliminates time consuming and mentaly chalenging steps, and it just plain works!

Got any bigger pic's?

+1 for the Huskemaw Optics 5-20X50 with 30mm tube. As Gino mentioned the glass and quality are all top notch. This is the only scope that I'm aware of where you actually shoot and record data at long ranges. You then send the data into the factory and they create a dial that is specific to your rifle, caliber, load, bullet. As far as I know the others just use your bullets listed ballistic coeficient and muzzle velocity to create a drop chart/reticle. I also own a Ziess Conquest that is a very nice quality scope, but I have to look at a drop chart that is taped to the rifle stock and then count clicks. With the Huskemaw all you do is range your target and dial in the yardage to your turrets. It's very accurate because you provided real life shooting data from extended ranges. I'm very impressed with the Huskemaw shooting system. I'll be mounting it on a custom 300 RUM that should be done in the next month or so. As with ANY turret system care will be necessary when you shoot in different temperatures and altitudes, as that will affect your POI and therefore you will need to compensate with more or less elevation. For long range hunting purposes I couldn't find a quicker easier system.

If you eat a live toad first thing in the morning, nothing worse will happen to you the rest of the day!

Yes of course a .25 cal is PLENTY for deer. I just believe there are better choices.

Perhaps at 100 they're close, but at 500 they could be in an entirely different zip code. Yes, TAM I realize this. I am not a rookie to reloading, ballistics, or how a bullet/barrel works. I will spend my time at the range working the drop charts for each bullet out to my comfortable range.. I would hope the .523 BC of the VLD will out run the .370 of the 100 TSX. Trust me Casey.... You're still a rookie! Don't let arrogance and pride convince you otherwise. The more you learn in life the more you realize how much you don't know.

Perhaps at 100 they're close, but at 500 they could be in an entirely different zip code.

The 7mm Ultra is great elk round! It also has an extremely high Ballistic Coefficient if you are interested in long range hunting/shooting. The .257 is probably considered by most to be to light for elk. I know others will disagree, but my personal opinion is that even for deer there are numerous better choices, especially if you are interested in extended ranges.

Casey does this quote sound familiar? "bottow line is they are target bullets not hunting bullets. use hunting bullets for hunting, and target bullets for punching paper. thats what there made for." Does this mean you are going to start shooting competitivley or have you changed your mind? If you have in fact changed your mind, what did it for you?

That is just an amazing buck!

North, West side of unit 22.

Is it any good??? Lots of good vantage points to glass from! Medium to low deer population. Some parts of the canyon are either nearly inaccessable or totally inaccessable because of the steep terrain/cliffs/ledges. Glassing a deer on the oppisite side is one thing, but shooting it and recovering it is another story.

Yep.

The Outdoorsmans also makes there own version of a rifle rest that mounts onto a tripod. I own one and love it. I use it with there pistol grip which allows me to move the rifel in any direction if the animal moves. With my Bogen tripod I can use it from the standing position down to sitting. It only weighs 5 ounces and the wings fold in making it very compact. The down side is that it's pretty pricy.

Chill out there Buttercup! I found a few minutes and read the story. What an awesome hunt. One of my all time favorite hunts is chasing antelope spot and stalk with a bow. As long as you've got plenty of antelope in the area you can hunt non stop all day long. I still never connected but had a blast doing it. Congrats to a fantastic conclusion to your hard work! We'll be heading out by Carizozo in about 3 weeks for our rifle hunts. I hope to have a few good pic's and perhaps a story or two for you when get back. Are you going to get back out and find the match for that shed? Or better yet the buck itself? Tommy said he's gaurantees he'll find me a bigger one for my hunt in November, so I'm gonna leave that little one for you.

You people are way to quick to jump to conclusions. I never said it was Grongs buck, he just sent me the pic. It looks like a real pig from the tiny pic on my phone!

Ok, I didn't have time to read the story yet, but nice goat!

Grong sent me a pic of a nice on on my cell phone. Post it up Josh I want to see the larger version!