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Well yes... BO has technically been a Senator for two years, but don't give him to much credit, he's actually only spent 143 days on the job. While neither BO or Palin are seasoned vetrans at their jobs, it would be difficult to say that BO has any more experience than Palin.

Great job! Thanks for sharing the story and pic's.

I just tried to call him and tell him about all the kind words everyone is saying about him, but he wasn't home and the lady that answered doesn't speak any english. I'll try him back later

Way to go!

I didn't see Mike shoot his buck so I can't really say anything about that story. I was with Greg when he shot his and let me just say I was really impressed with a couple of different things. First, the 190 Berger VLD's really did there job! The shot was 350 yards or so and the bullet entered (you can see the entrance hole in the pic's) and it never exited the animal. That Bucks shoulder was mush! You couldn't feel any bone, just felt like a sponge. His chest cavity was soup with his heart destroyed and split in half. The second thing I was really impressed with is how much time and caution Greg spent cleaning off blood and skinning out his animal. He had a roll of paper towels which he used to wipe the blood off the cape so the buck would look good in pictures and so the blood wouldn't stain the hair for his life size mount. Greg actually uses a scalpel to skin and clean his animals and I've never seen such care taken while skinning and gutting. Kinda made me feel like a hack! I'll post more on the story later, I'm just waiting for my buddy to send me the rest of the pictures.

Congrats on another fine antelope! I'll post my story and pic's in the next day or so.

Tragic!!! That guy was a warrior.

Way to go Linda, Gino, and all those that participated on a great Antelope! Although I am a little astonished that you would actually get such good results from a target bullet... aren't those VLD's made for punching paper? Congratulations!

I've got an EOTech on my AR-10 (.308) and I love it. They're built pretty rugged and I feel like it works very well for what I want it to do. I'd buy another one in a heart beat.

I found a Cuddeback on a dirt tank today. If it's yours you'll be happy to know that I didn't steal it, I didn't steal the memory card, I didn't take out the memory card and look at all the pictures, in fact I didn't even touch the camera at all. I just paused for a picture and left it alone! Good luck to you!

Casey, I've never had one "explode" outside the shoulder. They have all penetrated through the sholuder into the chest cavity and turned everything into mush. Quite literaly. I agree completly that if the bullet is exploding without significant penetration then it's a failure. On the other hand if the bullet reaches the vitals and then explodes, it seems to me that it is a complete success. My buck from the Kaibab I shot at 72 yards with a 130 grain Sierra Game King at a muzzle velocity of 3,550 fps. I always aim for the high shoulder and thats where I hit him. The bullet took out the bottom of his backbone/spinal cord and as mentioned before the rest was soup. I understand that dead is dead, but how could anyone say that the bullet failed. And for what it's worth all I found of the bullet was a few small fragments of the jacket here and there. Failure... I say not even close. JMO

+ one more for the Leica 1200

Last year I shot 3 deer, 1 antelope, and 1 javelina with 130 grain sierra game kings with a muzzle velocity of 3,550 fps. All 5 animals dropped in there tracks, and with the exception of the javelina none of the bullets exited the animal. The year before I shot a deer and a javelina with the same bullets and same results. I'm just curious why it would be considered a negative to have the bullet "explode" inside an animal and turn the chest cavity into soup? I personally look for a bullet that will explode inside the animal. That way the animal eats 100% of the bullets remaining kenetic energy, and in my experience never even moves another step. In my opinion they're performing perfectly. Not trying to pick a fight, just curious how you came to this conclusion?

+1 for the 15's. I have both and spend way more time behind the binos than the scope. Not even close.

Up here in Prescott the Firemen are making all the money. There are quite a few that have contractors licenses and do some sort of construction on the side. Many of them are making more money from construction and are just using the Fire Department to get retirement benefits. I know of a few that work down in the Phoenix area and live up here. I guess the commute aint so bad if you only have to make it once a week and I guess the pay is better in the valley.

I'm going to New Mexico the end of next week for a rifle antelope hunt. I think we got assigned to a pretty good area, so hopefully this will be my year for an 80 incher.

I once had one of my cameras locked to the base of a ponderosa pine with a python cable lock. I lost the key and had to drive back into Payson to buy a pair of bolt cutters to go back and get it. A few months later I found the key.

15 feet!!! Dude, what are you smoking??? signs only have to be every 1/4 mile and at gates and corners. Trespassing can be a revocable offense! Catclaw is right. Every quarter mile, and at gates and corners. Also in lieu of a sign every quarter mile they can have the fence post painted florecent orange. Pages 96 & 97 in the 2008-09 Arizona deer regulations.

I should hope it is still stealing if I leave something I own on public property and someone takes it. I leave my truck on public land when I go out in the morning to hunt. Does that mean that someone can just come and take it because I left it? What about my tent and camp equipment? What you're saying is just a cheap rationalization that dirty scum use to make them feel better about taking something that isn't theirs. If it's not yours don't mess with it! YES IT'S STILL STEALING!

Heres a load I just cooked up the other day for my 270 Weatherby Mag. 140 grain Berger VLD's 68 Grains IMR 7828 SSC Federal 215's I haven't shot it through a chrony yet, but I'd guess it in the neighborhood of 3300 FPS I'm hopeful to find a little bit of time at the range this next week so I can use these Berger 140's on my Antelope hunt in New Mexico in a couple weeks. I won't have time to do any serious long range load development, but hopefully I'll feel good out to 500 yards or so. 100 yards - 0.28 inch three shot group.

In my opinion I don't think the level of experience for the VP is nearly as important as the level of experience of the President. The Obama camp would be wise to leave that one alone. If Palins daughter being pregnant and her husband getting a DUI are the worst things people can dig up on her then what's the problem? I'll bet the number of politicians themselves with DUI's is staggering! And in this case it's not even the politician it's her husband. As far as the pregnancy is concerned it's already obvious they're going to take a positive spin from it by the talk about the daughter marrying the guy that knocked her up. Both concerns are pretty insignificant if you ask me. The good news is that in a tight election like this one how many women voters are going to vote for the women canidate? Even if only 2-3% of women pull away from Obama and go with McCain/Palin it could be HUGE to the GOP! Sure seems to me like they went out and got a Washington outsider that won't be linked to Bush along with a person that will increase the number of women votes. Two fer one!

If that's the case, then I'd say for the money I don't think you can do better than the Ziess. I have the 6.5-20 and it is a very good piece of glass. I feel it is brighter in low light than the Leupold and I've been happy with the repeatibility of the clicks. By the way I'm not sure what they charge at the big name stores, but I think Doug at Camera Land is at least a couple hundred dollars cheaper. I think I paid $650 for mine when other stores were all over $800. Just a thought. Good luck and just remember to do your field work at long ranges. Don't rely on a computer ballistic program to spit out numbers and be dead nuts accurate. The computer will be close but you will likley need to make some adjustments at longer ranges. Good luck!

Casey, at this point you sound like you're arguing just for the sake of arguing? The Huskema scopes have cllicks in 1/3 MOA. I'm really not sure what you mean by "clicks in 25 yard increments"? I've never heard of a scope where a click equals 25 yards? What would you do for different ranges? Perhaps you are referring to the hash marks that indicate the different yardages? The number of clicks will vary between hash marks, it just depends on how far you are shooting. No body is slamming your system! This conversation is starting to remind me of the Berger Bullet discussion where you told us over and over again how bad of a hunting bullet they are and now as of a few days ago you tell us you are going to give them a try. It's OK if you like your system better then ours! Neither of us are after your approval, we are just shooting what works well for us.

Do you guys really think that the McCain and Obama camps are really going to run friendly campaings??? Not in this country! Let the mud slinging begin!

No, I think he was saying that if your distance wasn't exactly on one of your crosshairs then you're still just guessing.