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So what about the religious freedoms of non christians? Or do you simply say/imply; F! non-christians? Constitutions guarantee rights not take them away. People like to make this issue about "the sanctity of marriage" and the meaning of the word. Puh-LEASE! This is all about money. Christians don't want THEIR tax dollars funding something THEIR religion doesn't condone. However a person regardless of sexual orientation color or religion should be able to choose whomever they please as the recipient of their benefits. ll of the arguements made so far are weak based entirely on faith and opinion. You could substitute the word black or hindu with every gay or homosexual reference and see how silly this arguement is. This amendment proposition simply furthers the image of Christian egocentricism. This blatant bigotry is why I rejected Christianity. Hate everyone who is not Christian and despise those not of the same denomination. Hmmm a religion that pushes hatred and calls it tolerance and if you're a good little hater you get a prize after you die. WOW... I guess I'd like to know which so called Christian churches are preaching hatred and bigotry? Seems to me there is quite a difference between hating a person and hating an action? What say you Mr. Smith? I don't think Christians are so much concerned with how there tax dollars are spent as much as they are concerned that Uncle Sam will be telling them they have to believe/act a certain way or loose there tax exempt status. I think groups like the Boy Scouts are concerned that they will be forced to embrace ideas that go against the things they stand for. I think orginizations like foster care and adoption agencies will be forced to place children in homes that don't have the type of values they are looking for. I fail to see the hatred or bigotry in any of those positions.

Does the story of Slick Willy and Ms. Lewinsky come to mind? Hopefully that will jog your memory... I'd sure hate to have to go into details.

SR, check your inbox, I sent you a PM. - Tim

That buck is a stud! I watched him for awhile this summer before the archery hunters got him all buggard up. How tall are his horns and how long are his cutters? Congrats!!!!!

Wow, what a hog! Congratulations

Lark it seems to me I heard awhile back something about needing a permit or something to put out cameras on National Forest. More of a technicality than anything.

Nice pic's! I love scouting antelope in 19A. Maybe next year will be my turn to cash in my 13 BP's.

Other than the men that are involved in this practice, who or what group of people are saying they have no problem with it? Or perhaps you're just suggesting that our Governments lack of any real action regarding the matter is suggesting it's ok?

Because it's California thats why! It's not a democracy or majority rules state. It's a who has the best lawyer state! If you've got enough money you get what you want in California. Unfortunatly what California does the rest of the stupid blind sheep in this nation are soon to follow. I say if the people vote for it, then it automaticly becomes law! YES TO 102! Stop letting the minority screw things up for the rest of us! (pun intended)

SBD you may not be worried about loosing your gun rights, but you almost did! They're under attack every day! All it would have taken was one vote to go the other way and "your" gun rights would have been flushed down the toilet. How sure are you that your gun rights will be upheld after BO appoints another justice or two? How many of you have ever benefited from civil rights? women's rights? social security or unemployment insurance? medicare or medicaid? Are any/all of these things fundamentally wrong? I can honestly say that I've never benefited from any of these. In fact I can honestly say that I've lost jobs due to civil rights and womens rights. I'm paying a lot of money to Social Security that I'll never see any benefits from. I've never collected unemployment insurance, but I know millions are living off our welfare system costing honest tax payers and workers a lot of money, and I'm not old enough to collect medicare or medicaid but like SS this program will probably not be around when I'm old enough to start collecting. Yes I think the above mentioned programs are fundamently wrong. The system is broke and BO aint going to fix it he's just going to add more fuel to the fire.

I got this in an email today. Thought I'd share.

I believe there are a few here that will be writing in a name which effectivly is a vote for BO.

Yep, I can eaisly go two hundred with it. Eventually I'll get an AR-15 and put it on that and put a different scope on the .308 which will allow me to take advantage of its longer range capeabilities. I think it's about perfect for a 223/556, but does limit me to shorter ranges with the 308.

The story of Gregs buck..... Due to a busy work schedule Greg didn't leave town at the same time as us and didn't get to do any scouting the day before the hunt. As the rest of us were scouting about mid day we glassed an area that was right on the edge of our ranch and the area was loaded with antelope! As we're looking at this group of antelope just across the ranch border Russ says "thats the largest cutter I've ever seen... It's huge!" Well after a little closer evaluation we determined that it wasn't the antelope's cutter, it was his horn sticking out the side of his head instead of the top like a normal goat. The problem was that this goat was a mile or so off our ranch. Later that day I called Greg and told him that we found a real "Freak" and Greg immediatly said "I want him". Once Greg arrived and the actual hunt started Greg passed up some nice goats because he really wanted the Freak. On the afternoon of the first day I headed out with Greg to an area about two miles to the west of where we had seen the Freak overlooking some draws where we had also seen another large buck. After finding a large herd and looking over one potential shooter and passing we decided to move up the road. As we were moving along we came across the large buck from the day before that was massive and had prongs that flared out to the side. he was a shooter for sure! Greg hurried up for a shot and missed clean. As we were looking for any sign of a hit we saw him off to the east so we followed in hot persuit. Just as we crested the ridge where we had last seen him we saw a single buck feeding in the bottom and we were sure it was him. Greg put up his bino's and said "I think it's the Freak?" one quick glance from my spotter and I confirmed it was in fact the Freak! Greg immediatly sat down and got ready to shoot off his bi-pod but the grass was to tall to shoot from the sitting position so we set up my tripod and used the Outdoorsmans pistol grip as a gun rest so Greg could stand and shoot. As soon as the buck turned broadside Greg let the 190 VLD rip from his 300 RUM and the buck was his. Once again the Berger VLD's worked there magic with a bullet sized entrance hole and nothing but soup on the inside. Greg is the owner of Trails End Taxidermy in Gilbert and was so happy with his Freak buck that he decided to mount it lifesize. Congrats to Greg on a real cool looking animal.

Well yes... BO has technically been a Senator for two years, but don't give him to much credit, he's actually only spent 143 days on the job. While neither BO or Palin are seasoned vetrans at their jobs, it would be difficult to say that BO has any more experience than Palin.

Great job! Thanks for sharing the story and pic's.

I just tried to call him and tell him about all the kind words everyone is saying about him, but he wasn't home and the lady that answered doesn't speak any english. I'll try him back later

Way to go!

I didn't see Mike shoot his buck so I can't really say anything about that story. I was with Greg when he shot his and let me just say I was really impressed with a couple of different things. First, the 190 Berger VLD's really did there job! The shot was 350 yards or so and the bullet entered (you can see the entrance hole in the pic's) and it never exited the animal. That Bucks shoulder was mush! You couldn't feel any bone, just felt like a sponge. His chest cavity was soup with his heart destroyed and split in half. The second thing I was really impressed with is how much time and caution Greg spent cleaning off blood and skinning out his animal. He had a roll of paper towels which he used to wipe the blood off the cape so the buck would look good in pictures and so the blood wouldn't stain the hair for his life size mount. Greg actually uses a scalpel to skin and clean his animals and I've never seen such care taken while skinning and gutting. Kinda made me feel like a hack! I'll post more on the story later, I'm just waiting for my buddy to send me the rest of the pictures.

Congrats on another fine antelope! I'll post my story and pic's in the next day or so.

Tragic!!! That guy was a warrior.

Way to go Linda, Gino, and all those that participated on a great Antelope! Although I am a little astonished that you would actually get such good results from a target bullet... aren't those VLD's made for punching paper? Congratulations!

I've got an EOTech on my AR-10 (.308) and I love it. They're built pretty rugged and I feel like it works very well for what I want it to do. I'd buy another one in a heart beat.

I found a Cuddeback on a dirt tank today. If it's yours you'll be happy to know that I didn't steal it, I didn't steal the memory card, I didn't take out the memory card and look at all the pictures, in fact I didn't even touch the camera at all. I just paused for a picture and left it alone! Good luck to you!

Casey, I've never had one "explode" outside the shoulder. They have all penetrated through the sholuder into the chest cavity and turned everything into mush. Quite literaly. I agree completly that if the bullet is exploding without significant penetration then it's a failure. On the other hand if the bullet reaches the vitals and then explodes, it seems to me that it is a complete success. My buck from the Kaibab I shot at 72 yards with a 130 grain Sierra Game King at a muzzle velocity of 3,550 fps. I always aim for the high shoulder and thats where I hit him. The bullet took out the bottom of his backbone/spinal cord and as mentioned before the rest was soup. I understand that dead is dead, but how could anyone say that the bullet failed. And for what it's worth all I found of the bullet was a few small fragments of the jacket here and there. Failure... I say not even close. JMO