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A troll is a person that goes to a chat forum with the intent of stirring the pot and creating contention. The bullets from most hunting rifles will pierce through a 1/4" steel plate at 100 yards. I'm not an expert but I'm pretty sure that regular hunting bullets fired from a hunting rifle will penetrate most police bullet proof vests. Just do a google search on Obama and guns, or Biden and guns to see there history. The threat of bullets being banned is very real. Many people believe that bullets/ammunition will be banned before guns. Try doing a google search on banning bullets as well and you'll be very surprised at what you find. Many politicians believe the 2nd ammendment only supports a persons right to bear arms...... but not bullets. The other threat is EXTREME taxation on bullets. BO openly supports a 500% tax increase on bullets. Another piece of the Obama/Biden gun ban agenda is to develop the technologh to some how stamp or encrypt a code on all bullets and or bullet cases. That way when a person buys ammo the code is registered in that persons name and when that bullet or case ends up at a crime scene they trace the bullets back to the purchaser. Part of this deal is that after a certain date all bullets and brass that are not stamped must be destroyed. http://www.gunbanobama.com/Default.aspx?Na...e6-892463d99f08 http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack...Gun_Control.htm

So I guess there was no exit? What did the inside of his chest look like?

Nice work Jade!

Welcome to the VLD club! Congrats on a nice buck. So did you miss his skull plate or what?

Let me guess, but it is ok for you to use high power glasses and a scoped rifle to nock off a deer at 300 yards with know clue you are sitting across the canyon from? just a question. What's the difference between using salt to attract a deer and using a bugle/cow call to attract an elk? Or perhaps a dieing rabitt call to attract a coyote or bear? What about creating mock scrapes to attract a buck? What about using a buck antelope decoy to attract an antelope? What about sitting water to attract game? How about using dogs to run a cat up a tree? Am I still less of a hunter if I use these other methods to attract my query?

Amen and Halleluiah! It's all about common sense.

I have an idea..... Lets ban road hunting? I'm sure there are more deer killed each year using this method than salt, and it would be much easier to enforce. G&F could even go out on STING operations with a fake life sized buck and place it off the side of the road and let the road hunters drive by and jump out of there pickup and blast away at the fake buck! Then the G&F officers could jump out of the bushes and issue citations to the dirty scumbag road hunters! I'll bet if we did that then there would be no more road hunting in Arizona!........ Oh wait, I forgot, it's already illegal to road hunt in AZ. We can't even enforce the simple rules we've got and we want to make more rules that are even more difficult to enforce than the first rules. What are people thinking???

Mr. Day Thank you for your response to our concerns. However your data seems to only indicate that success in unit 22 is on the rise. Where does it show or indicate that the increased success is linked to salt or bait? Seems to me that there could be any number of reasons for increased success rates in a given unit including increased numbers of game, decreased predator populations, favorable weather patterns, etc. Has G&F taken the time to research this data to determine if other factors may be responsible or perhaps even partly responsible for these results? Just like manditory hunter check in on the Kaibab, I think it is prudent that G&F completes the research on there data before they start writing new laws which effect the way we hunt. With regards to CWD, you mentioned it has not been discovered in Arizona at this point in time. If CWD was a threat in Arizona wouldn't G&F be just as concerned if not more so with the thousands upon thousands of ranchers that put out feed troughs and water licks across the state? Has G&F conducted any research to estimate just how many hunter salt or bait sites exist versus cattle feed troughs and salt licks? If G&F was really that concerned with the transmission of CWD wouldn't they be lobbying against the use of feeders and salt in the cattle industry across Arizona? With all due respect Mr. Day your concerns sound good, but I've yet to see any real facts, proof, or studies to back them up. I can't speak for all hunters but to me it seems like the AZG&F is on a witch hunt and they're planning on burning salt at the stake! Regards, Tim Maddock

Just like hunting I think the ideal personal defense round is the one you shoot the best and feel the most comfortable with. Especially when it comes to women. I just took my wife out this past weekend to shoot her new Glock 27 in .40 cal and found out it's too much gun for her to handle. She shot my G19 in 9mm much better! There is no point in packing heat if you can't make the shot. I'm really bummed out by this because now I'm going to have to buy her a new Glock 26 in 9mm and keep the G27 for myself. Don't worry... I'm sure I'll get over it.

That pic was taken the day after I shot it mr smarty pants!

I have a feeling that CBASS is a troll but I'll go ahead and respond anyway. Reinacting the assult weapons ban, making it permanent. Child proof locks on all guns. No gun shops or manufacturers within 5 miles of a school. Making the manufacturer of assult weapons illegal in the US. 500% federal tax on ammo and components. Making the sale of brass, bullets, primers, and powder illegal. Doing away with concealed carry permits. Making it illegal to carry a gun in your vehicle or person. Allowing gun manufacturers to be sued for guns used in crimes.

The sixth picture from the top is me and a 101 inch buck that Steven helped me kill several years ago. Steven is a great guy that just has a knack for success. Keep up the great work Steven!

Perhaps a .380??? That's probably the next step down from a 9mm. The problem is that many people believe that a 9mm is already under powered for personal defense situations. So why would you want to go even less than that? I witnessed a guy get shot 4 times with a .380 in Baltimore Maryland. He still ran off. Finally he hid in fear of the shooters. When I approached the man and saw the bullet holes in his body I was really surprised! Pencil sized holes that pretty much closed up with very, very little blood. In fact there really wasn't even enough blood to stain his shirt. I'm no doctor, and I'm no expert, but after seeing this first hand I decided to never buy a .380 for self defense. The guy takes four bullets at a distance of 6-8 feet between his nipples and belly button and doesn't even fall over and still has enough strength to run several hundred yards before hiding. That's not the type of performance I want from a gun which is supposed to save my life. And by the way... yes the guy survived!

So long Janet..... Don't let the door hit you in the A$$ on your way out! http://phoenix.cox.net/cci/newsnational/na...validatearticle Nothing new here, I think we all knew it was coming.

Anyone ever shot these JLK bullets? They're supposed to be manufactured the same as as Bergers with the same J4 jackets, but with a higher BC. Anyone had any experience with them? http://www.swampworks.com/jlk/ Ps. Sorry I just noticed I put this in the rifle section instead of the reloading section by mistake.

This is long, but well worth watching! Pay paticular attention to the part about "Unity" and "joining an orginization". http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?...7117&page=5

What worries more than BO and Biden taking my guns is so called sportsman like you that want to stand by and watch it happen! If guns, ammo, brass, primers, powder, and bullets are banned then just how long is my stock pile supposed to last? Black market is an even worse idea. I hope that BO can get us out of our economic mess. I hope the changes he's planning for our country are healthy and I Hope he has more success than Bush had. But it scares me to death what he wants to do with our right to bear arms. Furthermore, it sickens me that hunters and gun owners don't see the threat that BO and Biden pose to our 2nd ammendment rights and are ok to stand by and watch it all get taken away! Reinacting the assult weapons ban, making it permanent. Child proof locks on all guns. No gun shops or manufacturers within 5 miles of a school. Making the manufacturer of assult weapons illegal in the US. 500% federal tax on ammo and components. Making the sale of brass, bullets, primers, and powder illegal. Doing away with concealed carry permits. Making it illegal to carry a gun in your vehicle or person. Allowing gun manufacturers to be sued for guns used in crimes. What did I leave out? Wake up people!

Congratulations! That's the reason people get hooked on the Kaibab!

David, I'm curious just how deep you have your head burried in the sand?

+ 1 on what everyone else said. They are pretty common and the meat will be just fine.

I agree 100% with all the "negatives" about being an NRA member. On the flip side I believe they do us gun owners and sportsman a ton more good than harm! There is strength in numbers, and right now we need to be strong! As mentioned if you don't like the NRA then look into Gun Owners of America. Perhaps do both? Just do something!

Congratulations on another nice coues deer Mike! I believe this was the first coues buck that Mike has ever shot with a rifle and even though the shot was close by most coues hunting standards it was a rushed shot which in my opinion makes it a difficult shot. Mike anchored the buck with one bullet, not to mention it was only about a hundred yard down hill drag to the road and a 150 yard side hill march back to the truck. Jason I'll be over to clean any time as long as Stella is cooking! That was an awesome dinner - please make sure she knows how much we appreciate it!!! Thanks again for everything. Tommy, I keep meaning to email you and thank you for your help as well, but I'll just say it here instead. Your maps were dead on! I figure we would have paid upwards of $400 gas money per trip to come and scout the area and still not know as much as you shared with us through your mapping service. It was money well spent!!! The maps are large, in color, and the GPS waypoints are clearly marked and easy to use. Sorry I screwed up your success rate, but for me it was plenty succussful! I would highly recomend your map service to anyone! Thanks again.

I'm proud to be a card carrying member of the NRA!

I'm curious what you mean by this? Jan Brewer is in line to take Nappy's place. I don't know much about Jan, but she is a Republican. Do you have details you can share?

If BO's birth certificite isn't a legitimate concern then why is the US Supreme Court asking for it? I'm not in favor of witch hunts either but if there wasn't at least a little concern I don't think the Supreme Court would get involved.