hoghntr

I will be whatever number in line for it!

Ok Brian just remember all that knowledge is from man's mind my friend. All systems of dating the earth are man designed. Also remember man/scientists have been wrong few times before. I'm sticking with the Bibles take on things. A hippo is a hippo, a javelina is a javelina, a horse didn't use to have gills and I'm betting a frog has always been amphibious etc,etc.. Exagerated with the horse but I have read me some pretty darn stupid stuff around the principal of evolution. Adaptation is a thing I can get behind and believe cuz everything must adapt to change but they never become what they were not in the beginning. Example Man was not a ape and a fish was not a rabbit. 1 Corinthians 1:19 For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

For the sake of argument, elk and red deer/stag are genetically identical, which is why they can produce viable, fertile offspring. If you took the DNA from a North American elk and a European red deer/stag, you couldn't tell the two apart by species. I sat in on a conservation genetics class almost 10 years ago and we discussed the paper and the species' genetics. I wish I still had that paper. Technically, they should have the exact same scientific name. Taxonomically, they should probably be subspecies, but it will likely never get published or recognized as such because of the record books. Evolving on separate continents for 10,000 years is what has lead to differences in antler growth and vocalizations, but they are still genetically identical. We don't call bull elk stag and cow elk hinds because we do our own thing compared to Europe/Asia. Its like "orthopedic" in NA and "orthopaedic" in Europe. Bill is correct in that Audad are more genetically akin to goats than sheep and I doubt any interbreeding would result in viable offspring, thus making them true hybrids, but arguing over common vernacular is kind of mute. Its kind of like when people tell me they've seen chicken hawks or timber rattlesnakes here in Arizona. Rather than trying to correct everyone and sound righteous (like I used to 20 years ago), I just start talking about it with them. heck, the biologist/taxonomist in me has even learned to start saying "Coos" when referring to those little whitetails! Having said all of that, I'm with Hoghutr and DesertBull in that hunting and harvesting a nice rambilly is one of my bucket list items! But for those of us that don't have any idea it is interesting conversation and enlightening knowledge wise!!! Like others have said, looks incredibly interesting and fun to hunt and would love for my wife to stick a tag in my Christmas/Birthday stocking!!! It must be late and two long days of being the single dad with my wife out of town must have caught up to me. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to take that as a compliment for contributing, or a "shut the #$@! up!" My intention was to contribute to the very interesting conversation and enlightenment. As you can probably tell, I love genetics, especially when it comes to conservation and what we do. Like Phil Cramer said earlier, I still call them rams and ewes and always have. Like you and others, I just want to hunt one! At one time, I almost had my wife talked into letting me put in for an Ibex tag in NM. Those are definitely goats! Absolutely not the shut up version, some of you guys truly know your stuff and some of us truly are clueless, I mean, a Javelina is for sure a pig right .For example, one of the best three way cross breed of pigs is Hampshire boar to a York sow then come back and breed that offspring with a Duroc and you have one of the best meat pigs on the market!!! But hey they are all pigs right??? Honestly was meaning that some of these topics like when you were helping us dissect the different snakes......I was very interested in the information you provided. I don't read much but I do read CWT every day I am in internet range and I have learned tons from the different sides that people present so don't "shut the #$@! up!" Now to show my ignorance on the subject I am assuming the AOUDAD is an imported critter right? Thanks! That's what happens when you're trying to get two kids to two different places at the same time while the next day's carefully laid out schedule changes. I also call javelina pigs even though I know better! Pretty sure they're rodents (my personal favorite to correct)! And, yes, they are nonnative and were imported. I believe the New Mexico population was the result of audad (also Barbary Sheep) escaping from a private ranch somewhere north of Carlsbad. Texas...oh, Texas. I think Texas has more nonnative, introduced game animals than native ones! My brother-in-law in Laredo actually turned me on to Audad hunting, but he wants to get his the old-fashioned Texas way. He wants to pay good money to sit over a feeder and wait for a good one to come in, same as how he wants to get a 7x7 elk someday. SMH... I know your the scientist but since you also think the world is like a billion years old.. I think they declassified javelina and know longer think they are a rat. The javelina is native to the Western Hemisphere while true pigs are native to Eastern.. So my question is why is it not just called a western hemisphered wild pig? Oh and i still wanna kill one of those sheep goat things! Especially now that I know they don't taste like a sheepgoat

Yep how do we get a ticket? Thanks

Stolen from web. I also heard that we have more here now than Africa Origin of the Aoudad in Texas During World War II, American soldiers stationed in Chad and the Barbary Coast of Northern Africa discovered Aoudad and realized their potential as a game animal. After the war (late 40s & early 50s), these soldiers had some animals shipped to ranches in Texas. They soon found that Aoudad are very hard to keep fenced in, and they escaped and have successfully reproduced in Texas. The first recorded Barbary Sheep in Texas were in Llano and Kerr counties, but their popularity quickly made them an in-demand species on game ranches throughout central and southern parts of the state. It has been estimated that the Aoudad population in Texas has grown 1,800% since 1963. Actual numbers across Texas are not known but have been speculated to be 25,000+ animals.

Whatever they are 1 is on my BUCKET LIST But I hate the taste of goat meat like makes me gag kinda hate.. So do these taste like goat or sheep or desert sheep or?? If they smell like a goat then they taste like 1. who has killed 1 and knows the answers to my highly technical questions?

Ugghh gun cleaning...

I will buy it and add it to few I have. 👍 I live in deer valley area so can swing by this week.

I'm 44 with 3 awesome stepkiddos and never really thought that this might end up happening.. When I hear Mikey from step kiddos that to me is same as daddy so gonna be crazy actually hearing the word Daddy. Been a trip folks! Due to body being kinda broke and even kind of a half broke testicle from scar tissue from a torsion in military (twisted nad cord) but other parts have required medicines that are like chemo so been wondering if conception was even possible. I did some testing which means sitting in a room alone with a Very unromantic chair and a cup. :/ And results made docs say "well it doesn't hurt to try" so we pretty much gave up on possibility of getting pregnant. I needed to get back on meds for arthritis and I had already scheduled appt so finally I decided to get on knees and pray and just say Lord this is in your hands.. Funny how that works cuz that was our Anniversary night and it ended up quite fruitful. our joke is cuz I shaved my beard after 19 years of having facial hair just cuz wife said she wants to see me clean shaven once and even though I told her I have more chins then I used to have in military pics I decided to surprise her with my bald fat face on anniversary.. Joke is I'm like a African lion with thick mane it makes girls hot but makes the make lion sterile.. So joke is shaving face made my sperm Olympic swimmers!!!! Hey my wiener works!!! Yee ha. Obviously it was not the beard and it was the Grace and Glory of Jesus that has BLESSED us with this miracle baby and I could not be happierdue date is opening day of junior javelina season so think I know where we will be eating birthday cake in 10 years or so. Thanks for allowing me to share this happiness and short testimonial. Mike AKA Hoghntr, AKA Mikey, SOON TO BE AKA DADDY.

Holy crapola!

You best get up here soon he is now 13.2 lbs. 😮

I just know I REALLY REALLY want to harvest 1.

Maybe you can rent it out to a tag holder. Congrats on getting a gr8 cooler

I did not see it until I pulled out a picture of me as a baby. L.O.L

Well it's been a roller coaster ride for sure. Wife has had about every single crappy thing happen (within scope of having healthy baby of course) she now has 25 kidney stones so after rough 10 months and about to go back to work now she is faced with surgery so time to recovery before working again. I took her to Flagstaff for little time away before heck again so couple pics of baby's 1st Sedona & Flagstaff trip! Alton aka Hoghntr Jr and I stayed up top Walnut Canyon while wife and kiddo took the plunge to the ruins. Prayers appreciated as we still struggle with getting thu this Blessing. L.O.L.

$140 Great boots for a big foot

Danner Ridgemaster 8", 15ee, 400 grams insulation, Gore tex waterproof membrane $140 cash Worn 1x barely, meaning I walked around camp. Have taken on 3 hunts and put them on and then taken off, they are just too loose on my heels. I don't wanna waste time lacing them up again as if something has changed. 😕 These normally run $300 I got some sort of Danner deal but don't remember how much $. asking $140 cash or WILL CONSIDER TRADES. I'd rather not ship since it will cost $20+. I'm in north Phoenix and your welcome to try them on and walk around you don't have to just show up and buy them.. I won't hold you anything till we know they fit and you don't wanna take them off.

I'm just mad his grass looks that good. 😡 I can't even find the dog toys in mine till I mow then they puff out like I ran over a dove

Verrry nice

No doubt!!! This one Tres posted is all coiled like one of the dirt clumps beside him. As a guy who got a 1 fanged partial dose when I was youngster quail hunting I can say I don't ever want full dose venom! I had small scratch and small puncture due to my good vertical jump abilities back then but dang sure got sick That afternoon and had severe muscle cramping/spasms in calf to point of couldn't walk. Have worn snake guards since and been struck multiple time bird hunting. 😡

Positively not a gopher snake but also not venomous.

👍👍👍 http://www.reptilesofaz.org/Snakes-Subpages/h-r-lecontei.html

He has bids on them so must go thru eBay now

Your garage!!! Just get little a.c. for it and let you neighbors wonder about the noise and smell. We raised our own beef, pork etc when I was a kid and insure miss those tasty days

If anybody stumbles upon another deal like the $309 that was posted recently please let me know. Somebody got mine in trade due to my weakness for 20gauge shotguns.. :] If your selling 1 let me know. Only 9mm