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I can't seem to find the multi-quote button. Doug, my disappointment is with the amount of human traffic and selfish impacts that I've seen in recent years on the Strip. It used to be wild and woolly country, but no more. I realize that this trip was just after a 10 day hunting season, but the use was very obvious. What used to be faint, overgrown 2-tracks now had heavy usage. Faint 2-tracks that I wouldn't have considered driving on 15 years ago had significant quad and full-size vehicle usage. I saw several new 2-tracks too..........very disappointing. New camping spots were prevalent, too. Could this overuse be from gang hunting...........with 8 or 9 hunters with 5 vehicles for every one tag holder on the Strip??? The BLM is now aggressively citing people for driving off road all over the west..........looooong overdue. I know a guy who just received a $175 ticket in Wyoming. He whined............I applauded! I would never considering cutting up a tree to put up a manmade treestand on public land. This comes with age and maturity. The wooden tree stand looked recent. Keep in mind that 13A had over-the-counter archery tags until 3 or 4 years ago. It was getting hit HARD by archers.........the reason for the now limited quota archery hunts. Note the trail cam post in the first water trough pic. It ain't a fence post. These things ought to be called "water tank cams", since few actually use them on game trails. Using them on game trails would actually require that...............people hiked more than 20 yards from the truck...........and.........knew enough about the game to find a likely game trail. The commercialization of big muleys by the outfitters, trophy hunting magazines, and DVD makers has ruined some precious areas in the west. Not to mention trophy hunting in general. The end doesn't justify the means! Do it ALONE with NO IMPACT...........or stay home. Great pics! And I feel the same way as you. I just attended some forest service meetings on the Tonto and they are looking to close down roads because of this kind of abuse. I know most of it is not hunters but sadly some is. I don't think I will ever own a 4 wheeler because of the destruction I have seen them cause. Places my family have been going to for generations are now ruined. I really wish they would just crack down on these people with stiffer fines rather than close roads. stepping off my box...

AMEN!! I tend to be more of a meat hunter anyway but those are some of the best memories!

That is actually about what I got when I measured it, almost 104" gross. But I have almost NO experience doing this.

He is a beautiful buck and I am glad to a have been there to see it all. It made the hike out that much more worth it.

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I didn't read all the posts...so maybe it was mentioned already. I think the idea of sending these personal stories to the government leaders is a good idea but sometimes it feels like it falls on deaf ears. So I think we should also send these stories to the news networks, specifically FOX. I think shows like Glen Beck and the Factor are more likely to pay attention to this kind of stuff. Just my .2

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what about mine?

As for trading, would you be interested in other pistol calibers?

23 WT DECEMBER baby! and my wife got her first carp tag on the rim!!

Are you serious? Where did you hear this?

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I think it should be "first come first serve". I don't think it is fair to take a spot you are not using. If you want it that bad then go up early! Also there are other people other than hunters that like to use our forests.

I don't post much but I have been lurking for a long time before I signed up. So I guess I have been taking much more than I have been contributing... I really think this is a great site with a lot of great people! After reading alot of opinions about the various scopes I was about sold on buying the zeiss conquest 4.5-14 44mm rapid-z 800 scope until I found out the reticle wasn't necessarily designed for a .270 (at least according to their website). They call out the rapid-z 600 for the 270 which is only available in the 3.5-10 conquest. I have a leupold 3-9 now and have been pleased but I really liked the idea of a 14x for those farther shots. So is there any one that has used the rapid-z 800 reticle on a 270 or similar caliber? And if so, what did you think? I don't think the trajectory for the 270 is much different than the calibers they do recommend for it so maybe it wont make a difference. The other option is to get the zeiss conquest 4.5-14 44mm with a "normal" reticle (z-plex) or get the 3.5-10. thanks!

Well I decided on the 4.5-14x44mm with the normal reticle. I wanted the 44mm and I will add target turrets later. I really didn't want the BDC reticle if I was going with turrets. Thanks for all you help! Now to find a good bullet and load...but that is another thread.

Are you saying that you used Burris med height rings for the 50mm scope? I was wondering how high I might have to go with a 50mm scope.

Maybe I will take a look at the 4.5-14 50mm. Now the only issue is mounting a big scope like that on my gun without having to go too high with the rings. The things I'll do for a shot I might not ever take...

thanks RR, I am really liking the idea of turrets now but I can't seem to find any model that specifically comes with turrets instead of rapid z. I am really ignorant when it comes to how turrets are used too -- are the turrets built in with the elevation and windage knobs? How exactly are they used?

firstcoueswas80, what model and power did you buy that had turrets? Do you perfer the turrets to the BDC reticles? Maybe this is a silly question but you have one or the other not both, right? So in other words, if I wanted turrets than I would look for a 4.5-14 conquest with zplex and turrets. thanks for all your help.

I have no intention of even practicing at 800 yards let alone shooting at an aminal at that distance. I just think the higher magnification will help in shooting distance like 400 yards or so. Like I said I don't want or need the rapid z 800, I would rather have the rapid z 600 but they don't offer it in the 4.5-14. And I don't really want to spend that kind of money to see if it works with the 270 and have it not I really don't know alot about turrets but it does sound nice. Can you buy a conquest with turrets? I am very comfortable with a normal duplex reticle but I thought it might be fun to have a fancy BDC reticle if I am upgrading my scope anyway. Thanks

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