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Here's a link to buy the new 5th Edition of Bowhunting in Arizona for those that want to use PayPal. My link

Apparently a Word document won't work. I'll try to find another way, hopefully we'll have it posted on the website soon so I can just provide a link to it. In the meantime, here are the basic details. Bill Crum's phone number is 520-883-6722. Date/Time June 11th 2011 Story Telling starts at 5:00 pm Dinner starts at 6:00 pm Location Precision Shooting Equipment (PSE) 2727 N. Fairview Tucson, Arizona 85705

Apparently a Word document won't work. I'll try to find another way, hopefully we'll have it posted on the website soon so I can just provide a link to it. In the meantime, here are the basic details. BOWHUNTING IN ARIZONA AWARDS BANQUET and 5th EDITION RECORD BOOK SIGNING PARTY Biennial Bowhunting in Arizona Awards Banquet State and World Record Trophies on Display Door Prizes, Raffle Items Measurers' Seminar Date/Time June 11th 2011 Story Telling starts at 5:00 pm Dinner starts at 6:00 pm Location Precision Shooting Equipment (PSE) 2727 N. Fairview Tucson, Arizona 85705

Dave, We would love to have some 1st Editions to auction off to attendees at the June 11 banquet. I'm not sure if I can attach a Word document to this post, but I'll attempt to post the Banquet Registration form. It is primarily to honor the animals taken during the last two Biennial periods, rather than a fund raising banquet like most wildlife organizations hold, but there will be door prizes, raffles and some auction items. Bill Crum, the Banquet Chairman, will coordinate all donations and you can contact him directly. Bill Crum's phone number is 520-883-6722. Because this is not meant to be primarily a fund raising event, and we want all award recipients to be able to afford to come, banquet tickets will be only $25 and will include a Mexican food dinner. Thanks for your support! Marvin

Blake, your book has been mailed, as has Mark's. I don't have the list with me to see who else' has been sent. It's surprising how many people paid for the book and did not give us a complete address on where to mail it. I'm missing city, state and zip code on probably 20% or more of those that pre-ordered it, so will have to start trying to contact them all as I have time. Hey Marvin, How do I find out if I have already ordered the book? To be honest, I thought I ordered one when I entered my antelope, but can't remember. Thanks.

Congratulations Nate! I had no doubts! Marvin

The long awaited 5th Edition of Bowhunting In Arizona, Including Bowhunting Records of Game Animals, is beginnig shipment next week to those that have pre-ordered them. For thos that may not know, this book is the official bowhunting record book for Arizona, however, it contains much more than that. Many feel that it is one of the most useful record books in existence. In addition to the many photographs, record listings, and stories of the State Records (many of which are also World Records), the book contains a table with a unit by unit, species by species breakdown of how many animals of each species have been entered into the book for each hunt unit. It also contains numerous other graphs which show the most common distance of the shot, and most common hunting techniques used on a species by species basis based upon those animals entered to the program. There ia also a table in the back of the book listing the name of every hunter that has entered an animal, and listing which species they have taken with a bow. There are articles on how to judge a trophy of many species as well as color photos showing ideal shot placement on each, along with a ton of other helpful items to aid the bowhunter that wishes to hunt in Arizona! For more information, or to order your copy for as little as $25, click on the attached link. [media]http://bowhuntinginarizona.com/PDFs/5TH%20ED%20ORDER%20FORM.pdf[/media]

The DVD is actually called "Size is Everything", and there is a second edition of it now. As was said earlier, they are a bit dry to watch, and they really only show antelope in the high 80's and 90's (the second edition says that 15 of the 18 bucks taken on the video are over 90 SCI), so for the average archery hunter it's true, they don't show many examples of what the average hunter is likely to see and take. However, there is some great video of some incredible bucks, so it's a fun watch and it will get you more excited about your upcoming hunt. While scouting it could be helpful to learn how to estimate score so you can center your attention on a bigger buck, but it's been my experience that there is usally a buck or two that are clearly bigger than the rest so it's not that much of a decision. Most new antelope bowhunters are unlikely to pass up too many bucks, if they are presented with a shot opportunity, they take it. So I think a few key pointers on scoring might be more helpful than the level of details contained in the DVD for most. For those that may have taken a few and are ready to be able to separate the 85 inch bucks from the 90, the DVD could be very helpful. Since this is your first bowhunt for them, most likely you will take the first buck that you have a chance to shoot. There are times, however, where there may be more than one buck presenting a shot at the same time, and a few tips on how to determine which might be the higher scoring buck could be helpful. The last buck I took with my bow was in a herd of four bucks that were all very similar in size. I waited until each of the four had given me a good look at their horns before I chose which one to shoot. All things being anywhere near equal, mass will mean all the difference in score on an antelope. There are ten measurements to score an antelope for the books. Eight out of the ten are made up in part or fully by mass. There are eight true mass measurements (4 on each side), length of horn measurements (1 on each side) and prong measurements (1 on each side). Since the prong measurement starts at the back of the horn, comes around the side of the horn, then extends to the tip of the prong, the mass of the horn itself will increase the length of the prong (it's not just how much is sticking off the front of the horn). For score, always choose the buck that looks heavier rather than one that might be a little taller. If it has both...... Good luck! Marvin

Congratulations! That's nearly exactly what happened to me when I first started bowhunting. After about three years of hunting big game with a bow and getting nothing, I also took a small desert muley buck on foot (not as nice as yours), then 15 minutes later killed a Javelina with the same arrow. I was pretty stoked after that, so I can imagine how psyched you are to get after them again on your next bowhunt. Hope you drew your elk tag. Marvin

As an added bonus to those that have ordered this book, just before it went to print the Board decided to print the entire book in full color this time. In the past, there have only been a few color photos, those that were of each individual huntable species. In the 4th Edition these were all grouped together in the front of the book because it is much less expensive to print that way than to scatter the color prints throughout the publication. The Board decided to absorb the cost of printing the entire book with color photos this time (including hunters' record field photos), and did not raise the price of the book to do so. Although the cost could be increased at some point in the future, we are at least taking initial orders at the same price as the 4th Edition, which was printed in 2000. The current pre-order cost is $25 for a standard edition ($35 for a collectors edition), The collectors editions have a nicer hard cover (same dust cover), are numbered and signed by the editor. We are also paying the shipping for orders taken at this time. The website is www.bowhuntinginarizona.com

<--------<< THAT ONE! Here's a picture of the mount.

Congratulations! I love your brother's buck. In what unit was it taken? Marvin

I am on the Bowhunting In Arizona Record Book Committee. If you paid for the 5th Edition at any point in the last two years, whether at a sport show or otherwise, we have a complete list and you will get your book as promised. Other than a delay in finding the time to complete it, there has never been any risk that you would not eventually have your copy. There has not been an awards banquet in the past two recording periods (4 years) and no awards have been awarded. We do have the winners listed under the 16th and 17th Biennial Periods in the new book, and have the winners of the 16th on the website (BowhuntinginArizona.com) and hope to have the winners of the 17th there soon as well. If you are a winner during either Biennial Period, you will be invited to the next banquet to receive your award. Now that the book is completed, our attention will turn toward the banquet plans, which we hope to hold around June. As mentioned previously, we are a very small group of volunteers that must do all of the work of logging entries, chasing down the hunters that don't send completed applications, sending award certificates, maintaining a website, writing the stories in the book, fact checking the book, publishing the book (including all formatting etc.), arranging for banquets, soliciting donations, ordering awards, filing annual reports to the Corporation Commission, and the list goes on and on. There are only 5 of us to perform all of this work, and honestly only 2 of the members have to perform the bulk of the work because they are the only ones with the knowledge/skills needed to do many of the tasks. Every other record program has at least some full time paid employees, including Arizona's other record book Arizona Wildlife Trophies. I believe every member of the Committee for Bowhunting In Arizona holds a full-time job, and tries to get out and hunt once in a while too. This is a very time consuming undertaking, and we all give up countless weekends a year to try to maintain this program. Could we have sent out notices o fthe delay in the book's publication date? Yes. However, any spare time we could find we were putting into trying to complete the book. With constant new entries coming in, it is a moving target to try to print it as of a "certain date". If those of you that just choose to complain had simply done a Google search for the website, and dropped us an email or made a phone call, you could have easily found out the status of your copy of the book. As mentioned earlier, if you feel you have any skills that could assist us, and wish to be involved, please contact us and volunteer your time. If you wish to "punish" us by not entering your animals in the future, that is your choice. Not one of us makes a dime on this venture, not even to reimburse us for our gas to drive across the state to attend meetings and work sessions. I personally feel that despite of our being likely the smalles non-profit organization out there, we put out one of the best record books in the Country! It is easily the best when considering usefulness of the information contained, again in my opinion. Marvin Zieser

Congratulations Mike! You deserve it. Marvin

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My best was just last month with my bow. It had been years since I'd been so excited to take an animal I think!

"Will SCI except it? " SCI would accept a deer you raised from birth in a dog kennel.....As long as you join and pay your dues, pay the entry fee, and buy your trophy, they usually don't seem to care the history of the animal.

As far as P&Y is concerned, first it would have to be officially measured after 60 days. I'm not sure that 60 days has even passed yet since it was taken. Secondly, no official world record designation could be bestowed until approximately April, 2011. Until then, IF IT IS SCORED and IF IT IS ENTERED, and IF IT EXCEEDS THE SCORE OF THE CURRENT RECORD, it is a PENDING world record until it is officially panel scored in April, 2011.

I was the one sitting next to you at the sheep hunter's seminar a few weeks ago. Congratulations on your incredible accomplishment! Marvin

Pope & Young would not accept it either because it is too far from normal configuration. It looks like the bony cores are so bent that it can't push off the old horn sheaths each year. The new horn looks like it starts growing under the old one and just deforms since it can't push off the old one. Looks like it might have as many as three years worth of horn sheaths accumulated there! Marvin

I don't know how far North they might range, but South America has White Lipped Peccaries, which are a decent amount larger than the Collared Peccaries (Javelina). Just another thought.