Coues247

Sadly, several people I know are having the same issues. Multiple lions and deer of friends and cant get a response from them. I've heard of one guy that went by and got all his stuff a year ago and he said it was looking empty in the shop. Someone needs to head down there and see what's going on.

Cool?

Anyone know if they are having it this year? It's usually right about now but there is nothing on their website about it.

So you're just gonna ignore the fact that they posted the numbers of roughly how much they will lose off the sheep, elk, and deer and the fact that they will make MORE money off of every other animal and pull a random $1,000,000 guess of loss of revenue out of your as$? They explained that they can make it where the raffle tags can be sold out of state. There might be a small loss of revenue but it won't be significant. Better to make a little less money than let Jimmy John buy the best tags on the planet every year.

There were two auction and one raffle per species. Next year is two raffle and one auction and in 2026 all three are raffle.

The raffle revenue didn't drop "precipitously". It dropped, but not much. Most likely more due to the out of staters not being able to buy them. They discussed the ability to try and get it back to allowing all the states that can legally participate. That would help offset any drops in revenue. There also wasn't DEEP decreases in revenue from deer, elk, and sheep. Yes there was a drop but nothing that's gonna cause some severe problems. In the end, money isn't the only thing that's important. Chances to hunt an animal should be fair and available to everyone.

That's exactly why they got rid of them. The north American model of wildlife doesn't allow rich people to have more of a chance to hunt an animal than a poor person. And overall, with raffles there won't be a ton of difference in money made.

They laid out a pretty good estimate of how much the raffles will bring in using past numbers. For all animals but elk, sheep, and mule deer raffles make more money than the auction and for the big three auctions make more but it wasn't a ton more. They also talked about there being a way to switch it back to allowing out of staters to buy tickets. All in all the overall amount of money from auctions doesn't make that much more than raffles so the way I see it, let an average guy have a chance at a once in a lifetime tag instead of the millionaires that can go on any hunt they want in the world every single year.

The commission got rid of the auction tags this morning. They are allowing them for one more year and as of 2026 they won't be allowed. Raffle only after that. They showed the loss of money wouldn't be substantial by just having raffles vs auctions. A big point they made was something like 36% of all auction tags had been purchased by the same 3 or 5 people and how that doesn't fit the North American Model.

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That's wild that a 3c tag now takes 16 points.

I'll be the first to say that javelina should not be on the list of animals that you should have to take the meat out of the field in the first place. Props to them for taking what they did take.

How many points did you have?

3c deer are getting replaced with horses. Elk as well. Give it 5-7 years and 3c is completely toast. Supposedly they are going to start removing horses soon but I'll believe it when I see it.

Seriously? That's sad. All field days I've ever seen were .22's. Might as well just allow just the online portion if they're only letting you shoot a bb gun.

The online portion isn't the problem. Kids can take the az online course any day they please. The ethically hunting az class is just another online type hunter safety that is specifically made for adults so taking both wouldn't really accomplish much. The problem lies in the thousands of kids that have taken the online portion and then there being 50 field day spots that year. (And half of those spots seems to be in weird places like Gallup NM or something crazy)

You accidently put in for cow. .

Been through this a thousand times. They have to charge cards the next day or risk peoples cards going bad in that time period. A few years ago when they had a problem and didn't charge right away they did a whole new update deadline and charged the next day. Charges will be the morning of Wednesday the 21st. If not they will simply give a new update date and try again.

Whats crazy to me is they constantly have bonus point field days for age 18+ that have hunted three or more years but they have like two all year for youth.

Clean title?

Who's bagging on 4b? Anyone that's anyone knows 4b is the best unit in the state. 4b4life

Last year 23s had 16 residents with 24+ points trying for it. 2 got a tag. Now throw in the guys with 23 from last year (your group) and now there are 28 guys trying for the two bonus pass tags. Can always get lucky in the random and of course some of those guys may have drawn other choices last year but in reality you're looking at possible waiting 10+ years for the 23s tag if you're the last guy. 23n not looking much better with 10 guys with 24+ last year and 26 with 23+ tried for it. Certainly some of those will be the same people just applying for those two as different choices but even looking at just first choice you have 20 with 23+ wanting 23s and 17 with 23+ wanting 23n. 23n has 3 bonus pass tags vs 23s but you can see 23n could still be 5+ years out. That's also assuming noone jumps into the pool from other units with a bunch of points.

Not exactly answering your question but he could draw a 23 late rifle bull tag and have a chance at a giant. Not always a fun hunt and some rough country though. If he just wants to chase bugling bulls and doesn't care a ton about size 4b would be a good choice. I'd avoid unit 1 as it's been severely overhunted. 27 similar to unit 1 in regards to being overhunted.

Depends what you have to offer? And what hunt you want to put in for?