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The most impressive thing i saw was hunting 36c last year on the early Whitetail hunt. Im not sure if any of the group i ran into post or get on CWT but i decided to backpack the hunt and hiked an old closed road. Ran into a group of three guys almost at the top of the baboquivaris, they had ranch permission to drive up the road but were still a good solid 200-300 yrds from the road in not very nice walkin country. The guy with the tag was 80+/- a few years, just had his second Knee replacement i believe and was out there with em huntin. I was impressed to say the least.

Its pretty simple and sound the way i look at it. We pride ourselves in taking part in game management and more than happily manage deer/elk/any prey animal, so would it be sound management to not do anything about varmints/predators? By controlling them you are simply helping out prey animals, and in arizona we all know they could use every extra dog and lion on the ground as we can manage to put down.

This story starts out during the early bear season of 2005. I was glassing/traversing a nasty mountain side in search of a big ole' bear. After glassing a few of my better spots off the mountain i moved to a bluff i had never gone out to hoping for a better vantage point. After sitting down and trying to warm up from the soaking i had just got and recover from the manzanita cuts and bruises from sliding around the wet hillside i glassed up 3 really nice bucks. Upon inspection, one proved to be better than the rest yet had a strange looking low mainbeam that was very abnormally wide. i watched them disappear over a hillside and marked it on my GPS. Did see a bear but so far out it was not worth my time. I then headed out thinking about how amazing that buck was. Early archery hunt of '06 found me on that same Bluff overlooking a bowl, bow in hand tag in pocket. Again i glassed up the Wide low beamed buck, this time more extrordinary. After watching a bit i knew where he was headed, unfortuately it was friendly to my archery equipment and much of the stalk would be wrong. That year i glassed up this wide Buck quite often but always in absolute nasty places that offered no stalk. But i gained alot of knowledge about the buck and this year lost him as soon as he went hard horned. Always in one of two canyons but gone after the archery hunt. Again in '07 this buck had captured my mind and i set out during the archery hunt again. I watched him over his normal moves and beddings and grew great respect for the buck that i could never get into arrow range with. He was strange in every aspect when it came to what i knew about these little ghosts. Always bedded in direct sunlight all day, always on south and south south/east facing slopes, previously torched cover and only low growth on his hills. This year he left his favorite canyon, although i did find him the same day i could not completely figure him out, Until again, come hard horned time he was no where to be seen. This year i tried furiously to find him. I contacted a buddy of my Boss whom had a tag and wanted to get out there and see if we could find him in the oct hunt. We spend countless days glassing both canyons and during the hunt turned up alot of bucks, some nice, but not him. Now this year......it started off great, i located a hidden canyon.....not so much hidden just not viewable from everywere i had been, nor had i looked at maps. It was perfect, in between both canyons, small yet steep thick and nasty. And the same terrain he seemed to love...hey he even had a hill side that was sunny all day to bed on. The second day glassing it i found him. WOW!!!!! he was wider than ever, but from the safety of distance couldnt not tell much other than really wide and huge eye guards. From then on we, myself and Cody Goff...whom happened to have the tag again, spend every weekend and more switching off watchin him. it became apparent this was somewhat of a sanctuary canyon for him. We Watched him continuously since Late august and thought we lost him hard horned again until the week before the hunt, cody glassed him up. Same spot. Time was growing shorter and neither of us could sleep. Thursday night we met on the mountain...he had glassed all day with no sign of what we now called the Bird dog buck......mostly because this was the most paranoid spastic buck i have ever watched. Constantly freezing, flagging, droppin in a hurry to the ground, watchin his back trail so often that i cant believe he had time to eat. And one time going into what looked identical to a deer on point for over 20 min without twitchin...... Friday i also had a girl and her father to help out so since codys buddys showed up that morning i decided to help her and listen on the radio to codys hunt. 3 hours in still nothing, then Cody heard a shot from the direction the buck comes from in the morning and also where two other hunters had gone into. Freaking out he climbed the Rock Bluff from HE!! to see. A bit into it Jay tells him over the radio to stop, just stop where ever he is. The Bird dog had kicked out down from him and was running across the canyon side. after some waiting and wondering the buck had bedded 500yds down but still huntable. It was decided that cross canyon would be the best opportunity so Cody made his was back around the Rock bluff to the opposite side of the canyon. They met up and Both stalked down a ridge and across open ground to a rock spine ranged at 375 from the bedded buck. after some waiting He had a shot. But right then the buck decided he was safe and stood, after a slight readjustment........BOOOOM!!!!!! it was over, the buck was down not a twitch or a kick. Good shot by Cody and congratulations again. I had about 2 miles and 2000 vert feet to get to em so i took off to see this magnificent buck i had watched so long. And it was worth the cuts and bruises it took to get down there. The buck has not been scored but is at Mogollon Taxidermy right now, 17" wide and 5+ on his eye guards. His tines didnt grow in as good as previous years, probably because he was so old he had about 4 Teeth. Also was healthy as heck, had about an inch and a half of fat over most of his body. Two people have him guessed on the ground at close to 103 but no one had a tape.....both of us could care less it was alot of work that paid of and memories that will last forever. Im gonna try to post the pics, there are also some more and a short description of the hunt and nasty pack out on Jayscottoutdoors.com in his blog about Codys hunt. Pictures are a bit out of order but the velvet pic is about 2 months ago and the hard horn pic is about 2 weeks ago. Enjoy .....i know i did. -Tim

+1 no reason to hand it over.

but i just proved myself wrong. seems the easiest way is through batf though.

Correct. but local and state does not, many lawsuits have been brought up about it but as far as i am aware local and state agencies do not have access to those records.

On the contrary you can call and have them check the serial number. if it is not reported lost or stolen no need to turn it in. also a gun cannot be traced in the state of arizona by the Police department or state authorites back to purchaser and seller. They do not have a record of guns and owners in the state of arizona, nor registration.

Looks like a sweet gun, and a shooter! Bet ya cant wait to get out again.

hes lucky it was my dad that picked it up rather than myself.....thered a been words.

Hey if anyone lost or knows of someone who lost a Walker hound in the 20a/20b area let me know. My dad picked up a young one that had been sittin on the road between old cordes and mayer. Saw it early in the day and thought it was the ranchers then a few hours later came back that way and saw it again with some folks pulled over. Rancher Said if it got in his cattle hed shoot it so he picked it up.

Good advice on the books thanks!

WOW!!!! nice buck, congratulations to your son!

3000wby? wow i need me one of those i dunno if you want me reloadin for ya from the start, specially if ya like the way your face is configured if i get good well make ya a nice lil round for that Diet 7mag ackley you just got.

If you are into Berger 168 gr. VLD's or Balistic tip 150 gr. bullets for that 300 WBY, extreme coues or I can thow you a bone.... when you are ready. GH had great advice for you above... Mike, I need those books! extreme coues is my reloading partner and he is dang good at it, so I have cheated the whole reading thing.... but need to still get that done one of these days.... Best of luck! Coincidentally thats exactly what i wanna work up for the 300wby especially. ill let ya know when i get everything in order and thanks alot for the advice and help....Might have to come with cody and give yall an extra set of eyes for that 22dec tag.

My number one reason is to customize the loads for the 270 and 300 wby maybe 45 70. second is to stock up on 223 rounds as im building an AR. Thanks for all your help, im not plannin on buyin until after my elk hunt so ive got time to do some reading. by the looks of it the rock chucker kit has about everything but dies and a case trimmer. Thanks again.

two....gotcha.

Ill check one out thanks.

Alot of good comments here, Join or rejoin or donate to NRA!!! I hope it does not turn out as bad as it could and we all need to keep a cool head but i do know I gotta buy two guns that were at the bottom of my list that are now at the top...Custom 1911 and build a AR in 6.8spc. and get me a reloader and learn that and stock up.

Realistically thinking.....really guys, they come to get everyones guns......whos givin em up??? bownut....obviously they held in to many farts

I hear theres some big Coues and muleys down thata way.....can we illegally immigrate to???!!! Anyone else just feel sick to their stomach or is it just me......heck i feel totally unprepared i dont even have reloading supplies or near enough guns.....and im in the gun business Just placed my order for this.

Ill be stockin up on ammo and few guns that should have been further down the list.

But then again i just found another number of 22.2 kg which equates to 49.9lbs out of northern wisconsin. still under 50 but wow huge cat thing is a hog! bob.bmp

well i personally have seen alot of dead/live bobcats. and can tell you that as big as some are or look its an absolute rarity to find one over 20+ lbs especially in arizona. any cat over 18 lbs would be a HUGE bobcat. I think i have seen one actually weighed over 20 and barely. But congratulations seein a big bobcat is always fun....i glassed one up in 36c once and for a few minutes of partial view thought i glassed up the baboquivari jaguar Physical Appearance Bobcats are closely related to the lynx; however, it is half the size of the Canadian lynx. The bobcat can also be distinguished from the lynx by the markings on its tail; whereas the lynx has a black tip to its tail that goes completely around its tail, the bobcat's had a white underside with the coloration and markings on the top half. Bobcats also lack the hair on the soles of their feet that lynxes have. The tufts on the ends of their ears tend to be smaller, and their ruff not as prominent. They can be a reddish brown to a light grey, with white underside and black spots on the legs, and black markings on the face. They have the distinctive ruff on the sides of their head and black tufts on the tips of their ears. Bobcats in the southern parts of their range tend to have more vibrant markings than those further north, and tend to be smaller. Both melanistic (black) and leucistic (white) bobcats have been reported, but the melanistic ones have only been found in Florida. Like many species of wild felids, the bobcat has black ears with one large white spot in the middle of the back of each ear, called eyespots. It serves to signal to other felines the cat's mood; the spots are clearly present when the ears are laid backward so it may signal aggression. It gets its name from its short nubby tail. Bobcats from the northern parts of their range tend to be larger on average than those further south. Larger individuals also tend to occur in open areas, wheras those from forested areas are smaller. The largest bobcat on record weighed 17.6 kg (38.8 lb). http://www.lioncrusher.com/animal.asp?animal=41.

Great to see others helpin folks out. But please PM messages privately to eachother rather than posting it up for all to see. you maybe giving information that someone else hunts to. Dont wanna show up to your spot and realize anyone on the World wide web can go to your spot now, not just CWT members and friends. ......but while im posting.....take these guys advice.

Hector, Some of your posts are way toooo illustrated, i just got to work and am craving lunch right now......Great hunt it looks like, chasin pheasants is somthin ive always wanted to do. And those meals!!!!!! thanks for the pictures!