Non-Typical Solutions

Hats off to the lady......

Back in the early 80's my dad was in the thick of raising alot of pigs, and everything you ate caused cancer is some way or another, the report came out that bacon could in fact cause cancer(in rats). It later went on to explain the amount of bacon that was fed to the rats which in turn caused the cancer to appear in the rats. If you were to go ahead and do a pound for pound comparison, transfering the weight of the bacon fed, to the weight of the rat eating the bacon, a human would in turn have to have eaten approximately 686 pounds of bacon per day, every day for 3 years. dang I say, we ate alot of bacon back in those days, but I am telling you, 686 pounds of bacon in one day by itself would have killed me, forget the cancer. I have no doubt that the testing on this lead business is slanted tremendously in favor of the condor. They ain't getting enough lead from a gutshot animal to kill them.

I would have been in there 15 or so years later I am guessing, it was still a logging hub at that time, at least as far as I could tell. There are alot of good hunting two trackers, that started out as logging roads.....and yeah, those bulls in the rut can be stinkers.....sorry, got way off track.

Not sure if you have seen this one...a buddy sent it to me....thought it might fall under the ouch catagory. Crap.....didn't work.....I'm a computer nut.......

Times long past....must mean we are having fun. One of the old roads we used to travel....not sure if it still exists or just in my memory, I think the place was called Maverik, up there by Reservation lake on the US side of the line, can't remember.....during the monsoons, those roads were wicked.

Sorry about the assumption there.... I just figured they must be putting pavement down as long as it was taking them. I remember when McNary was still a hub, we busted an oilpan on that Big Lake road and was one of the only times I ever heard my dad swear. That is a nice drive, lots of beautiful country, just was worried they were putting the pavement down. It will be fine then, but they better keep some of those camping areas open or it will turn in to down town......I really lost intrest in Roosevelt lake when they went to the developed camp area, haven't been there for years....is it pretty much all developed camping only or can you still pull up next to the lake and camp??

I had pretty much avoided that neck of the woods just because of the construction, but I see it kind of a contradiction in messages. On one hand we a making a freeway back in to Big Lake, and then saying that we are going to cap off the little roads...so a basically run the cows down to the catch pen and expect them to stay right there? I do believe that fingers can be pointed in every direction with regards to barricade busters. People who would bust them with a wheeler, would probably do the same thing in a jeep or gigantuous 4X4 four door truck. What about the barricades all along the burn area on the rim? Convienient excuse to close the roads, but will they ever be reopened again. One more thing....with the population growth that Arizona has experienced over the last 10 years, legal or illegal, and the continued projected growth in population, we can only look forward to more of the same with regards to the management or lack thereof, of our forests, hunts, fishing....outdoors.

Bill, What is your take on the freeway they are building on the backside of you there going through Sunrise, across to Sheeps crossing, etc? You have probably had a chance to check it out first hand, I haven't tried to check it out at all. Is the plan to go all the way to Big Lake with that? Jeff

Gotta love the Kiabab bucks....nice......

NIce....real nice....I vote the one on the right.....

I would agree on the wolf thing, which again is something that was put into place and now has strings attached. Just read the signs along the side of the road, Mexican wolves are protected by the Endangered Species Act under a special rule which allows people to scare away or harass wolves in an "opportunistic and non-injurous" manner. This means you cannot seek out, pursue, or attract wolves, nor can you phyiscally injure a wolf in any way. However, you can scare a wolf away by making loud noises or by throwing rocks in the animal's direction. I always stop long enough to read the sign for a chuckle, but you are very right about it being part of the underlying wolf protection. Seems to fit the border idea as well........

Would never have equated "old, health or laziness" in your case Bill, and have found in the past that the only hunters, people or otherwise that have rubbed my bald head wrong have been those who were too lazy to show any respect for what we have, especially here in the white mountain area. People too lazy to clean up their camp after they are done. People too lazy to walk across the meadow so they drive across it. People too lazy close the gate that they just opened. People who leave the crappy diaper along the side of the highway. None of which has anything to do with age or health. My point was simply that my perspective is different because I have, as of yet, not reached any of those points in my life and probably can't see past my own nose to know any better. As I stated previously, I don't like the idea of what might be packaged with the road closure. I remember back in the late 70's, we would pack back into the Gila Wilderness with our mules, there were holding corrals at the head of the trail, Gila Cliff Dwellings, we would always take some alfalfa hay with us to feed just before we left, pack a little pellet feed in with us but mostly rely on grass to keep our mules up during the week. We went in one time, signs posted all over that fines would be handed out for any use of foreign feed such as alfalfa, rye, wheat, oats. This was due to the "fact" that new "grasses" were being introduced to the area by the feeds that were being brought in by "horse and mule" parties. I think there is a happy medium, unfortunately it always seems that they keep inching up on us taking more and more away and that is the scary part.

Anymore, planning for the crowds is part of planning the hunt. I have a 3a3c late bull tag coming up, and I have about 5 different areas that we have been scouting just to make sure the bulls are in there. But come opening morning, those bulls will probably not be where they were the day before, so we just have to have plan B, C, D and E. Not exactly the way we want it...but that is the way it is. People can be considerate of others by treating the situation the way they would like it if they were in the same situation...

Hope to have the same ground shrinkage problem some day...heck of a buck, congrats....

Nice job on the 36B hunt, glad to hear you found him and put him down. For some reason your pic isn't coming up on my dang computer, but I'll try on my one at home tonight.

I guess when I am too old or lazy to hike it in I might have a different view and opinion, but I know it is very frustrating to hike into an area, only to find somebody busting through in a vehicle. 27, has some wilderness area in it and is about the only place you can go in that area and actually hunt without being disturbed by vehicles. I guess the part of me that wouldn't support road closure is the part that worries about what is packaged with those closures and what is next on the agenda. They gonna say I can't take my mule in there? Seems like there is always something next.....

That right there is what it is all about.....way to get-r-done.....very nice.

Nice job Neo....hope I have somebody that will put up with me when I am 70, showing me bucks and elk.......

No more sheds from that bad boy.....nice buck.....

I have a 3A/3C November bull tag, live right here in the middle of it and would be more than happy to help in any way I can. If it keeps up the heat....there won't be any snow. Most of the roads along the burn area have orange blockades in front of them, a person can get around them, but, they don't want you trying to go out there to recover game. I haven't actually seen it in writing, but have heard from locals that they really are trying to keep people out of that area due to dead trees, so they claim. I have been waiting for the dust to settle from archery, cow hunts etc. to go find out where the bulls have landed. That cow hunt can actually be pretty tough, once they get stirred up, those cows can flat cover the country. Give me a holler if you need any help. Jeff

So, I am trying to play the game but have no experience on coues whitetail. I'm looking through my binos at a coues, which happens to be looking right at me and his antlers are as wide as his ears. What is the general, field judging measurement for spread? On mulies, I believe the general rule of thumb is 24" spread if it is as wide as the ears.....

I have a local taxidermist that I traded a cape for the beetle job. Which looked tons better than the crappy boil job I did on an earlier attempt.

Now that is what I'm talking about.......ultra...is that a typo....didn't you mean "nukem".....just kidding.....

Dang it coues80...thanks for that...... Red Rabbit thanks.....that is what I was looking for, appreciate it........

Those 5" bucks are dang good eatin......nice job......