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I am wondering now about the possible forced impregnating process that is going to have to go on with women??? Do they think that women can turn that stuff on without being pregnant as well???? and double

AT least mr. smith you have had the decency to go ahead and have a civil discussion on the matter, much appreciated. Jeff

check with willie...hopefully he will have a cape come November and he might be willing to part with it...............

Holy camolee...............that is one heck of a long list that just got added on to the bill...............pack up the wagon, we are going for a ride..............

And since we aren't going to get $2325 from every single US citizen......I'll probably have to pay double and never get that pair of Swarovskis One melofahess.....................

I also have benefited from the discussion, maybe helped me to be less of a bigot and like many have said haven't really changed my mind, if we didn't have both sides of the story it would be pretty boring. It is good to try and look through another persons perspective. I am a blessed man and am thankful daily for that..................

This response here mr. smith is an answer to your own question about this whole thread so get ready to start defending the freedoms of christians. The whole homosexual movement is an outright attack on the ground level teachings and beliefs of Christianity. If I felt it was only going to affect those who chose an alternate lifestyle I would care less about the issue, but unfortunately it will affect my lifestyle. When women wanted to join Boy Scouts, why couldn't they have just been happy with Girl Scouts? My boggotry is really coming out........."freedom" has to be responsible in order to maintain it. I have students who don't salute the flag in the morning when we say the pledge, it is their freedom, I respect that but don't expect me to like it. Kids riding on the bus to school can't freely roam about, it is irresponsible and dangerous........... My right to carry a gun is a freedom, but if I go shooting up the neighborhood I don't deserve to have that freedom..... Drinking yourself into a raging slop at the local joint is a freedom but has its consequences................ Remember that little game, kind of a hexoganal ball with all the different shapes you had to fit to get all the pieces inside.......no matter how hard you try to fit that square piece into the round hole....it just don't fit and it ain't right, I don't care how free you want to be to keep shoving that square piece......it just doesn't fit.................. And see bobbyo....that is just it......I don't care if you tell your kids that, but why do you insist on telling my kids that. I don't walk around telling other peoples kids how they should believe......................that kid that won't salute the flag.....I just let them stand there in a slump because it isn't my place to tell them different, that is their freedom..............

Just kind of live in my own world I guess.....sorry, little dense in some areas and if you have been keeping tabs on the other thread......a bigot to boot

I reject homosexuality, you reject Christianity, I guess that makes us both bigots and I can live with that......I will flat out admit that according to the dictionary definition I am a bigot to the end through and through.....

Mr. Smith, I never said I hated anybody, Hindu, Black or Homosexual, as a matter of fact I clearly stated that if one of my children ever declared that they chose a different sexual orientation I would love them to death and continue to try and teach them true principals. And yes it is all about faith, belief and opinion and that is what some of us have been expressing and exchanging...beliefs and opinions. I am not sure where your heritage lies, but my heritage came across the great waters because of faith and opinion. This country was established on people who had faith and opinion. It is as hard for you to believe that we have faith and opinion as it is for us to imagine life without it. I believe that the very foundation of this country was built off of faith and belief in a God and that we will in fact pay the price not in just in heck but right here on this American continent if we don't adhere to those commandments and laws that have been set forth through Christ. Yes that is my belief and what I base my opinion on and I know that is very hard for some to get a grip on, but that is how I base my daily actions and decisions. By the way which I don't do a very perfect job of, but it is my rudder and my compass. Just my opinion of course

Lark, just out of curiosity.....who do they sell novelty cigars because of?????

JHAM357...best of luck with the new comer........it is a tough world to raise a kid in but it sounds like you have the right plan...

Nailed it on the head again lark.......don't make no sense at all to even be having the discussion..................

Something nobody wants to think about is the what if's......don't you think that the bombing of the twin towers changed the course of this country just a little. GW Bush woke up one morning, he was reading books down in Florida with a bunch of grade school kids, minding his own business when all of the sudden his world came to a screeching hault as did all of the rest of us...................lets face it people, you can say what you want about Bush, but nobody up there on the stand can say they know what that is like...............did he get everything perfect.....not hardly, we wanted him to go kick somebody's ace and then got mad at him for kicking the closest dog that was lying around which happened to be the playground for Bin LaDEN....I intentionally left OSAMA off that if you didn't notice............... I don't like alot of things that Bush has done...but I ain't wearing his shoes..............What would OBAMA do in that situation.....what would McCain do in that situation...................tough questions ................

AZHUNT, I agree with the government has already stepped in the cowpie and now can't get it off their shoe and can't stop the stink. I guess that means I have a double standard....I don't want Gov. involved, but I don't want to have my rights as a father, grandfather taken away either........I want to be able to teach my kids true pricipals that are solid and will bring them happiness. Stanley, you have a good point with the worries of the world. My family has never had alot, we do go fishing, hunting and enjoying the outdoors, but when the bottom falls out of the financial world I hope and pray that my family will still be able to gather around the campfire and talk about the things that are important and have lasting importance, a family and their relationship with each other, their maker and the good things that life has done for us.

It is a moral issue which throws this into one of those ethical discussions which in turn falls into the eyes of the beholder. But, it is not natural, it is a law set forth by our maker....kind of like Zig Ziglar said about gravity......you can fight the laws of gravity all you want, but if you keep jumping people off the 10 story building you will continue to prove that law to be true. Does that affect me....people jumping off the building? No, because I know and understand the law of gravity. But what if somebody decides to make it look fun.......and now my neighbors kids want to try it....and next thing you know, my kids feel it is something they want to try.......does it affect me now??? I think most of us in the Christian realm, I guess I can't speak for all of them, but yes we are afraid. Afraid that we will now not be able to teach that marriage between a man and a woman are a gift from God because now we are discriminating. Are we discriminating? I guess we are, and that is our belief. I could care less if gays want to marry, but don't tell me in the same breath that I can't teach my kids it is a sin. I think there is probably something to say about keeping state and church seperate, big can of worms there that I don't understand other than the judges who are ultimately turning things around even though the majority has voted on an issue really makes the water murky.

And thus we see the importance of judge appointment, I agree DB...............

Same thing I would do to any of my kids who decided to do things that were contrary to Christs teachings and natural human behavior.......love them to death and try to teach them how to deal with the abnormal feeling that they have. If they wanted to "come out of the closet" that is their choice. What would I do for an alcoholic child.....same thing... What should we do with people who kill their newborn child.....create laws that makes that OK? Love them to death and try to teach them the error in their ways............. We have already made laws that allow abortion.......or killing of an unborn child.........that is enough to send this country to the bottom of the ocean...........if my daughter chose to have an abortion, what would I do......love her to death and try to teach her principles that are in line with the teachings of Christ........

Lark, I am glad you put it that way......I told a guy the other day that all the money I have is in my pockets or in my bills......don't know one dang thing about the stock market and I consider myself to be fairly educated. Remeber this....a vote for somebody besides McCain is a vote for Obama......no matter how much you hate to swallow it that is the facts...........

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That is good news......willie is getting antsy for his 27 late bull tag and I am about to pee my pants cause he invited me to go help

I've been there.......I mean needing help with a unit.....plus hunted down there for the first time ever last season. Had an enjoyable time, great weather, big grasshoppers and plenty of trash to go around in the washes. Saw a buck the last day we were there while glassing in my pajamas. Made one scouting trip way too early cause the water was all gone when season finally came around and I had put too many eggs in the same basket or around the same water hole. Live too far away to do the unit justice for you, we were hunting around Diablo I think, but I am sure there are better places in the unit. Well, I am not sure, but I am sure there are those who have honey holes that they might not be too willing to give up. and rightfully so..... Go check it out first and then come back with more specific questions and I am sure you will get some help from these guys, they are a hard nut to crack but eventually will share I know the gate is locked at the offramp where the BP was stationed last year...... Good luck to you down there.......go camp where the coueswhitetail.com members camp and they will help you out there I bet.............

You want answers? Lt. Daniel Kaffee: I think I'm entitled. Col. Nathan R. Jessep: You want answers?! Lt. Daniel Kaffee: I want the truth! Col. Nathan R. Jessep: You can't handle the truth! Probably more truth to that statement than we all want to believe..................

Thanks for the tips guys, I appreciate it........will let you know what I find when I go check it out......

Thanks willie......I have heard that story and all about the keys he can get me to get into gates but he has not at this point been able to produce any such a thing, plus he hasn't taken a look at the back of his hand lately