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My family recently inherited a hex barrel 30-30 from my grandpa Pace, which was handed down to my Mom, which I won by the luck of the draw between myself and 5 other brothers. There are many great stories from Grandpa and his hunting trips with this gun. We are toying with the idea of continuing the tradition of the gun by using it for a hunt if we get drawn for deer. Does anybody out there hunt with open sites anymore. My first deer I killed was with a lever action 30-30 but everything else big game since then has been with a scoped rifle. I wonder if I can get that close to a buck again???

How about this idea. There are two cats. One facing from right to left with his front being way up high. Second cat behind his rump looking the same direction, you can see the ears but not the face????

That Texas senator drilled Holer(no pun intended ) and made him look like an idiot.......hasn't read the 12 page bill and slamming it off of what he read in the paper and heard on the news.....WOW

I agree with you on the neck, and even the ears could be just the tips of deer ears layed back. I was mainly going off the hair pattern.........course I am pretty rookie at cam photo-ology......looks funner than heck if you could sit and watch that kind of game coming through. Nice job Rag Horn.....next time you need help with your trail cam this rookie will go with ya

Looking at the fur on pic 5 and comparing with the other deer in the picture.....kinda looks like kitty cat fur to me....... DB, maybe you got hundreds of pics of lion as well

Dear Mr. Mortensen: Thank you for letting me know of your support for Arizona's new immigration law. You may know that, after Governor Brewer signed it into law, it was amended by the legislature, and the revisions were approved by the Governor on April 30. Those revisions are important, as noted below. As a member of the United States Senate, I did not have a role in the legislation's passage in the state legislature, but given the national attention it has garnered, I have reviewed it carefully. What I've found is that much of the criticism that has been leveled against the legislation ignores the plain language of the law and the amendments that were subsequently approved by the legislature. The fact is, the law does not allow officers to arbitrarily ask people for immigration or identification papers. The law now only applies in situations where an officer has legitimate grounds to lawfully stop, detain, or arrest a person for reasons other than immigration status. In other words, a person would have to be suspected of having committed some other crime, like a traffic violation. Then, after a lawful detention, stop, or arrest is made, the officer may only inquire about immigration status if there is "reasonable suspicion" that the person is illegally in the United States. (Presenting a driver's license or other state-issued identification would be sufficient to establish the presumption of legal presence, and, of course, a driver's license is routinely requested of all individuals stopped for possible traffic violations.) "Reasonable suspicion" is a legal term of art well understood by law enforcement officials. Moreover, whereas the Arizona law initially stipulated that a law enforcement officer "may not solely consider race, color, or national origin" in determining whether reasonable suspicion exists about a person's immigration status, amendments were subsequently adopted to prevent any consideration of those factors (except as may be permitted by the U.S. and Arizona Constitutions). Governor Brewer signed an executive order that also requires all officers to receive training about what constitutes reasonable suspicion. Obviously, it would be better for the federal government to secure the border and enforce federal immigration laws so that states, like Arizona, do not have to bear the burdens and costs of doing so. In fact, when Congress has appropriated the necessary resources and the Border Patrol has implemented the right policies, we've managed to significantly reduce illegal immigration. For example, Operation Streamline, which was launched in the Border Patrol's Yuma Sector beginning in 2005, targets illegal immigrants with immediate prosecution, including up to 60 days of jail time. In areas where that policy is aggressively followed, even short jail sentences have proven to be effective deterrents to illegal immigration. Just eight months after Operation Streamline was implemented - and more agents and fencing were added - the Yuma Sector saw a 70 percent reduction in the number of apprehensions. By contrast, the Tucson Sector - where there are far fewer prosecutions under the Streamline program - is a virtual war zone. Over half of all illegal immigration comes through the Tucson Sector of the border. Nearly half of all marijuana seized along the Southwest border last year was seized in the Tucson Sector. Perhaps the single greatest reason we haven't been more successful is that the Clinton and Bush administrations routinely underfunded border security. What we've been able to do only came after long, tough battles with their administrations. Even now, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano testified that the border "is as secure now as it's ever been." But, growing violence along the border and passage of the Arizona law have created a new opportunity for positive change. With that in mind, Senator McCain and I have called for full funding of enforcement programs, like Operation Streamline, in both Border Patrol sectors in Arizona, and we renewed our call to the President to deploy 3,000 National Guard troops to the Arizona/Mexico border. You might be interested in Byron York's recent column about our initiative, "Enforcing Immigration Law Would be a Bargain," which appeared in the Washington Examiner on May 4. The 10-point plan that Senator McCain and I proposed also calls for 3,000 more Border Patrol agents in Arizona, as well as: o Completion of the authorized 700 miles of fencing along the border, including double- and triple-layer fencing at appropriate locations; o Full funding ($950 million per year) to reimburse states for the costs of incarcerating criminal aliens, and a total of $100 million annually for Operation Stonegarden, which reimburses state law enforcement for other costs associated with illegal immigration; o Substantially increased funding for mobile surveillance systems, Predator B Unmanned Aerial Vehicles, fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters, and the money necessary for the Border Patrol to operate the equipment 24 hours a day, seven days a week; o Increased funding for radio communications equipment and interoperability between the Border Patrol and state, local, and tribal law enforcement; o Increased pay for Border Patrol agents assigned to high traffic areas to make sure we have well trained, well motivated personnel at the border; o Additional funding to upgrade existing Border Patrol stations and build additional ones; and o Funding to assist state, county, tribal, and municipal courts with the cost of prosecution and pre-trial detention of federally initiated criminal cases that federal attorneys might decline to prosecute. I have fought for years for increased enforcement resources. As far back as 1996, I won approval of an amendment that began the surge in the number of Border Patrol agents assigned to fight illegal immigration at the border. When the surge began, the number of Border Patrol agents totaled about 4,000 nationwide. By January 2010, the initiatives I supported increased that number to more than 20,000 nationwide. And, as noted before, new enforcement programs, like Operation Streamline, have led to substantial reductions in illegal immigration where they have been implemented. But obviously, far more still needs to be done. I will continue to fight for the necessary funding to secure the border and enforce the law. Sincerely, JON KYL United States Senator

Good idea wack....I was thinking I wouldn't mind somebody putting together a T-shirt that said something like. I'm From Arizona and Proud to fight for our border........or something like that. Course, that might cause a riot because somebody got offended that I was expressing my feelings bout the situation...... I saw a lady with a blue ball cap on with the American flag pasted on the front and decided I wanted one of those too. It is time to stand up and like the song says, You got stand for something or you'll fall for anything.............

Congrats on all the new comers......lots of work raisin them kids, bless em all with good health.......

Send that one to Foxnews......get it into circulation.....nice job!!!

We will be waitin for some pics from the trail cam

I am on that like a chicken on a june bug.......+10 I am kinda curious to see how this next election pans out, McCain has all the sudden declared he is our last defense......let the motor mouths put it into action......

And to the people who benefitted from his services on both sides of the line.

Not sure if you heard this clip but Arnold in California seems to think it is funny, here is one of his quotes. "I was also going to give a graduation speech in Arizona this weekend. But with my accent, I was afraid they would try to deport me," the Republican governor joked in his speech at Emory University. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20004676-503544.html Arnold, if you would wake up, this is no joke......and it ain't funny.....

wacky, What teachers don't want what to change??? Are you talking about the law that might help classroom sizes come back down to a realistic and managable size? Are you talking about a law that might decrease the number of students who "no hablo engles" that teachers have to figure out how to comply with NCLB? Are you talking about the law that might decrease the number of students who show up for three months, disappear for three months and then show up for three months and then expect to pass on to the next level? Are you talking about the law that might decrease the number of students on free lunch? Just not sure what teachers don't want this change??? And don't blame the teachers for NCLB, I think that was a Bush plan that was ill advised, mainly the wording on it. Teachers are just the ones who got stuck having to deal with it. As for voting for the one cent tax, as long as you want to continue to be the 50th state out of 50 for the amount spent per student in the nation then go ahead and vote no on that one cent tax. No doubt there are some crappy teachers out there but there is a bunch of good ones out there driving junkier cars than most of the illegals in this country. The bill might be a bandaid for sure, but if it turns the heat up on the fryin pan then it will have done its job.

I grew up in Animas, NM, it is about an hour away from Deming, NM. A few years back, Deming was bussing 70-80 students across the border to attend school there in Deming using buses from Mexico. It was determined that the buses from Mexico were unsafe for the students so the district was then ordered to provide buses to get those students back and forth. That was going on about 10 years ago I suppose.........and I am not sure of how that was funded but I got a hunch it was by USA.

Now don't go quitting your job on account of a bunch of huntin politicians.......I was thinkin of trying to drive around the state of AZ without a drivers license, weaving all over the road and see if I can get pulled over. Curios to see what they do with me???

That was exactly what I thought......we will never Firstcoues forget will we..... Nice job on the first buck......

One news reporter this morning likened it to walking into the Cubs game wearing a Pittsburg Pirates shirt....... Another analogy was, we celebrate St. Patricks day which is an Irish celebration, do the Irish care if you wear a USA shirt to their party???? I work at a school and I know how we spend a lot of time trying to "prevent" things from happening. This to me is a case of somebody not knowing what country they really live in and using their authority to make a point. Double standard on the freedom of speech issue....it is ok for them to fly foreign flags in our country but not ok for us to fly our flag in our country because they are celebrating their heritage......somebody has the beer goggles on.....

Nice job guys......that sounds like fun........

Whoooohoooooo good to hear thanks.............

We probably should move this thread to the political discussion Hang in there it is just about time to get on with the other draws, I too might consider putting in for a southern unit, but due to the political unrest in the south probably have to do a unit 10 this year....good luck to all in the heated debate of when draw results are going to come out and why haven't they gone back to internet applications and why the LL are they making us use copper bullets, none of which are politically influenced...... Just yankin your chain bone.......I admit I love bantering over the political stuff and feel like I learn from both sides of the issues.....

+1 Politics isn't my favorite either.... but nobody has to read everything on the site. The political forum is there for those that enjoy discussing politics. It was added because many people requested it. If you don't like politics, don't open threads in that forum. Even though illegal immigration seems like a topic unrelated to hunting, it really does affect hunting in AZ. Just look at the AGFD regulations and their red demarcation zone and warning about problems with illegals in certain southern units. And think of all the hunters who don't hunt the southern units just because they are afraid of the illegal activity. Illegal immigration/drug smuggling is affecting hunters in AZ and seems a very appropriate discussion topic for a hunting site to me. Well put Amanda.....+2

So, I have been doing some business over the phone with California, Colorado and even a little in Tucson. None of the people I have dealt with in any of these companies or places have turned down my money. If they truly wanted to boycott AZ they would not send any money this way nor would they accept any money coming their way right???? I mean, boycott is boycott in my book.....just wondering......

I admit I gotta look that one up but it has got to be funny

So today they had hundreds in protest against the 1070 walk out of school, high school students. So lets say tomorrow we go ahead and organize a student walk out in support of the bill. You guys down there start the ball rolling. What I am really curious about is how the media would handle such a display of student intrest all of the sudden in politics as they did today with their coverage......... And watch how ugly it will turn if it happens.........