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TLH, I coach here at Snowflake, start out with the Jr. High kids late September, then slide right on into high school. Then I run pee wee program until the end of march, then summer camp and off season tournaments. Never ends. Runningbird thanks for posting the article......

Enough to make a guy wanna quit his job and go huntin.....nice job....

Don, If you read my post it is very clear that I am perplexed, out of touch and now need to get a life. I am OK with that, I hear that all the time from my 7th and 8th grade students, I am used to it. I went ahead and visited your guide service site and read up on what it says there about you, seems to me like you have done alot of good for alot of people, served our country which I am every day thankful for those who serve us. You seem from a distance via internet to do alot of good for hunting and fishing in the state of Arizona. You won't find much on me, I teach Jr. High wood shop, got 4 more years before I get out of education and do something different. I have 4 boys a great wife and am enjoying my 52 birthday today.....at work, keeping an eye on my detention class. I spend 8 months out of the year coaching wrestling, even though I played basketball in high school, sat the bench is more like it. My boys drug me into wrestling. I like to hunt, fish, look for sheds and enjoy the great outdoors Arizona has to offer. I don't worry too much about helicopters. My wife bought me a one day lesson down in Tucson for my birthday one year. Loved it, but my hat off to those who can fly one of those birds. I never said I didn't believe we needed to worry about this "urgent" issue but your response to my question is what really worries me. And I quote: Wow was I ever able to "brainwash" this bunch who apparently don't know how their constituency feels about this made up issue that I'm helping spread all over the sportsmen internet sites. End quote!! This makes me believe you would rather us who need to get a life would not ask any questions and just go with what ever dog wags the tail. A bill like HB2072 can get pushed before powers that be, unknown to the "constituency", the "constituency" gets told that the bill is dead and gone. Now these same people are "warning" me about another "urgent" decision being made. You tell me Don. What am I to believe? I don't have any record book trophies, I get an elk tag every once in a while, a deer tag about every year cause I put in for high draw percentage ratio units like 27, never killed a pig, bear, lion,sheep or antelope. I love busting a coyote once in a while. I am committed more than ever before to helping with hunting and fishing conditions in the state of Arizona.I have done more reading on this subject(AZ wildlife etc.) in the past three months than I have in the previous 50+ years. I am not looking for conspiracy, just somebody honest enough to come clean on what is really going on out there.

You are probably right about that one..............I know a couple of guys who are really superstitious about the draw, they wait until they get a pink slip or tag in mail.....now that is patience.....

This thread has me really perplexed...if that is really a word. I go down to the local car dealer looking of a good used car. I am assured there is nothing wrong with the vehicle, it is clean, runs good and has been inspected by their mechanics. One week later I am back at the dealer realizing that not only was the car a heap, everything that the dealer had told me about the car was incorrect. Do I go back to that dealer for any more car deals? Even if everybody around me is telling me that that car dealer is now on the up and up and everything is cool with that dealer? We just had a record amount of people on this site discussing HB2072, and many of the people supporting that bill were shot down and sent off to Syberia. Now these same people are warning us about legislation that is happening and we are supposed to believe that? I am way out of touch and I don't get it................either too close to the forest to see the trees or too dumb to get it.....

I'll bite....it sounds more like an add for azsfw than a straw poll. But I am thinking back to the streamed meeting and the different people that I listened too. Seems like I remember some guy getting up that was affiliated with ADA, don't remember the name, and all he talked about was how we needed to all get along. Quit making accusations and being mean to each other. He never really addressed what ADA thought about the bill. After reading your email poll, it appears to me that ADA didn't really have any problems with the bill proposal. Sure it mentions a couple of items in the email, but the gist of the email is that azsfw was that they had done so much good, we should probably accept the bill as good as well. I currently am not affiliated with any organization and consider myself pretty green in regards to this political approach to hunting/wildlife/conservation/money grab, whatever you call the bill that was proposed, and all the behind the scene activity that goes on. This mess has made me realize that I do need to get involved with an organization, but I am still curious as to who really has Arizona at interest.

What are the recommendations on fletching? My son is 14, shooting the mission craze, pulling 55lb. right now and all he has shot is field tips. Wondering about length, helical or not......using a whisker biscuit rest. Have not yet decided on what broadhead to use yet and I realize that is important in this decision with regards to fletching. Just looking for some ideas and direction.

Welcome back to the draw....... I had a short hiatus from the draw stress.! The nice thing about being a Montana resident, I can get an Elk, Deer,Bear and bird combo license for $77.00. That sounds like a great deal there.....but is it worth the cold???? If I thought my wife could handle the cold I would pack up and be gone......

Welcome back to the draw.......

Thanks for the comments. What does one fletching give me that the other doesn't? I don't understand enough about the dynamics to know what does what??

Zilch in our camp

We were at the Phoenix Zoo this weekend taking the grandkids for a visit to see the animals. We began to discuss why there were no elk in the Arizona exhibit. Then one of my sons made the comment that there were elk in 50% of Arizona so why did we need an exhibit at the zoo. I quickly said absolutely not, maybe 10% of the state had elk in it at any given time. So, if you were to take the state of Arizona and give elk a percentage areas where they are found. What would you give as a percentage? Arizona has approximately 114,000 square miles, so my estimate would claim that approximately 14,000 square miles of Arizona a person could find elk. Course my estimate was off the top of my head in an effort to dis-credit my son on his profound statement about there being elk in 50% of the state. Just a fun question to see what you think would be a good percentage given to the area covered by our elk herds here in Arizona. I am sure G&F has the answer to this question.

That is a fact right there.......cool video, kids make it happen.....

You ever tried busting one of those antlers? That has to cause a headache......nice finds....

We spend alot of time trying to make sure we have the necessary things with us when we are hiking, but AZ can be so extreme it is easy to forget and take precautions. Prayers out for the young man and those looking for him.

Now that is funny.....call me next time your shooter won't put something like that down....and you have my number!!!!

Lions just scare the poop out of me.....really cool pics....

Amazing how really simple it is ain't it?? Wild is wild. Good story.

Thanks for the info......

You are correct in saying there is a unit 1 youth hunt but it is a draw and not over the counter this year. This was done as a result of the Wallow fire and the hit that turkey in the area took. Hopefully it will be opened back to over the counter in the near future if we get some good years of turkey production to bolster the population. Aaron So are there any over the counter hunts this year for youth???

One of the areas we hiked just north/west of Buffalo Crossing, we dove off to get to the river, we bumped into one tom turkey. Other than that for all the road driving and hiking we did, no turkey. We did see turkey tracks in the snow several times hiking. I am really disappointed we don't get to do the youth over the counter turkey tag this year, my son got hooked big time last year. Dang it......

Somebody staking claim to a trick tank. Carcass with a couple of broadheads buried in the backbone. Interesting find. Hiking through some of the burn has a graveyard eerie to it. I hike my old rearend off only to find these tracks cutting through the burn. Frustrating Mulie deer out and about 1:00 middle of the day. Fountain of youth right here in beautiful AZ.

As I watched the broadcast last night I found myself realizing how little I do personally to "improve" the wildlife habitat. There are alot of non-hunters out there who enjoy the wildlife we have in this state. Church groups, scouts, bird watchers and tree huggers. I pay for tags, license fees and all other required fees dealing with hunting, camping, fishing, hiking. All the things that I enjoy. I leave my campsite clean, I work hard to teach my kids good hunting ethics. I have volunteered time to help with cleanup projects. I personally don't belong to any groups, organizations, lobby groups. No board memebers, no comittee memebers nothing of that sort. Right now my dollars are up for grab(not much), but I want to be sure that who ever I decide to join up with has the same values for this state as I do and I have a surety that my money isn't going into somebody's pocket for personal gain. Personal gain being the difference between making a living and stealing. Sometimes we have to pay people for their time and efforts, I am ok with that. Dumping money into a non-profit program where somebody gets filthy rich, I don't want anything to do with that. One thing that I find interesting is were it not for my addiction to reading hunting stories on this website I would have been clueless about this bill that has been presented. I fall into that catagory spoken of many times last night "average Joe outdoorsman". It was very interesting to see the many different views, I appreciate being able to watch even though I was not there.

Good idea, Terry Corrigan is who I talked to, he gave me his email address there and I sent him a couple of links.

I really thought what Bruce brought up was what the meeting was supposed to be about, but like you said, seemed like alot of dancing. Hopefully Mr. Davis will take a look at what wasn't said as well as what was.