Non-Typical Solutions

Geez George... If I were a betting man, I would say that it is Comm1 writing your responses. I have watched your posts and I would say that half the time it is Robbie doing the posting. If you want to believe that all is great from the Carefree towers, so be it. I will continue to think differently. I will hope that an agency that is over 90 million dollars will show us what is behind the curtains. Man.....and I am the one worried about helicopters and conspiracy, now there is a hidden curtain......wow, my trust getting stronger and stronger by the post.............I think I will just go adopt a trick tank or something.

Ah..........breath of fresh air..........youth..........and to wish for those days........welcome to the site. I have learned so much from the people who contribute to this site. One of the huge features of this site is my little guy can come on here and read and I don't have to worry about junk. Welcome to the site...........

Makes sense to me......

Leave um for the vultures!!!! That looks like a heck of a good time there......

Course this was a week ago, we got all the way in to Big Lake fromt he Alpine side, it was iced over. I wasn't interested in ice fishing We fished Nelson, two mornings just trolling wooly worms and peacock ladys and such, not one bite. Game and Fish said there were fish in there but we couldn't catch up with any of them. We rarely fish Nelson without catching something so we were bummed, but it was a great week none the less. Nelson was flowing over the dam..........didn't see any dead fish at all. The gal at the Tackle shop said Luna was struggling in the fish department, and we didn't go check it out.

One of our favorite roads to drive, still can't get in. Road between Buffalo Crossing and Big Lake, still pretty hard to swallow. Fishing Nelson early morning draggin flies, no luck at all but fun to get on the lake. Trip to Terry flat. Found this laying in the bar ditch three miles in on Big Lake road. Called G&F and they sent out their specialists. Had a great visit. Looked like a dump job to me.

Nothing wrong with that....nice job...

It is a pain gettin old, but life is good, thanks..........

Where they reseeded or dropped all that straw, whatever that is, it came up real good last fall, and is coming back again. Any place you see small aspen trying to grow they have been nibbled off by the elk and deer. It is a tough pill to swallow, but it is still a great unit. I am really bummed about the turkey situation there, I was looking forward to another youth turkey hunt this year.

I would not be so quick to laud the AZGFD. There are people within the agency who are directly opposed to hunting, who believe that a "healthy ecosystem" is paramount to anything with human intervention. There are way too many people within the agency who make their living off the wolf program and are tied to the USFWS. By September of this year there will be documentation that will be provided which will show without a doubt that some within the agency think that wolves on the Strip or Kaibab is not a bad thing. Picture 3 metapacks of 250 each running all around Arizona... That is what will have to be fought and it will have to be done within the structure of the EIS comment time frames. You are invited George to contact me with any questions, but please do not think that everyone in the agency has hunter's best interests...BPJ I am the out of touch get a life guy trying to make some sound decisions about what is going on and now I am being told that within the AZGFD there are "people within the agency who are directly opposed to hunting"???? Now see, that sounds like a black helicopter conspiracy theory right there.

TLH, I coach here at Snowflake, start out with the Jr. High kids late September, then slide right on into high school. Then I run pee wee program until the end of march, then summer camp and off season tournaments. Never ends. Runningbird thanks for posting the article......

Enough to make a guy wanna quit his job and go huntin.....nice job....

Don, If you read my post it is very clear that I am perplexed, out of touch and now need to get a life. I am OK with that, I hear that all the time from my 7th and 8th grade students, I am used to it. I went ahead and visited your guide service site and read up on what it says there about you, seems to me like you have done alot of good for alot of people, served our country which I am every day thankful for those who serve us. You seem from a distance via internet to do alot of good for hunting and fishing in the state of Arizona. You won't find much on me, I teach Jr. High wood shop, got 4 more years before I get out of education and do something different. I have 4 boys a great wife and am enjoying my 52 birthday today.....at work, keeping an eye on my detention class. I spend 8 months out of the year coaching wrestling, even though I played basketball in high school, sat the bench is more like it. My boys drug me into wrestling. I like to hunt, fish, look for sheds and enjoy the great outdoors Arizona has to offer. I don't worry too much about helicopters. My wife bought me a one day lesson down in Tucson for my birthday one year. Loved it, but my hat off to those who can fly one of those birds. I never said I didn't believe we needed to worry about this "urgent" issue but your response to my question is what really worries me. And I quote: Wow was I ever able to "brainwash" this bunch who apparently don't know how their constituency feels about this made up issue that I'm helping spread all over the sportsmen internet sites. End quote!! This makes me believe you would rather us who need to get a life would not ask any questions and just go with what ever dog wags the tail. A bill like HB2072 can get pushed before powers that be, unknown to the "constituency", the "constituency" gets told that the bill is dead and gone. Now these same people are "warning" me about another "urgent" decision being made. You tell me Don. What am I to believe? I don't have any record book trophies, I get an elk tag every once in a while, a deer tag about every year cause I put in for high draw percentage ratio units like 27, never killed a pig, bear, lion,sheep or antelope. I love busting a coyote once in a while. I am committed more than ever before to helping with hunting and fishing conditions in the state of Arizona.I have done more reading on this subject(AZ wildlife etc.) in the past three months than I have in the previous 50+ years. I am not looking for conspiracy, just somebody honest enough to come clean on what is really going on out there.

You are probably right about that one..............I know a couple of guys who are really superstitious about the draw, they wait until they get a pink slip or tag in mail.....now that is patience.....

This thread has me really perplexed...if that is really a word. I go down to the local car dealer looking of a good used car. I am assured there is nothing wrong with the vehicle, it is clean, runs good and has been inspected by their mechanics. One week later I am back at the dealer realizing that not only was the car a heap, everything that the dealer had told me about the car was incorrect. Do I go back to that dealer for any more car deals? Even if everybody around me is telling me that that car dealer is now on the up and up and everything is cool with that dealer? We just had a record amount of people on this site discussing HB2072, and many of the people supporting that bill were shot down and sent off to Syberia. Now these same people are warning us about legislation that is happening and we are supposed to believe that? I am way out of touch and I don't get it................either too close to the forest to see the trees or too dumb to get it.....

I'll bite....it sounds more like an add for azsfw than a straw poll. But I am thinking back to the streamed meeting and the different people that I listened too. Seems like I remember some guy getting up that was affiliated with ADA, don't remember the name, and all he talked about was how we needed to all get along. Quit making accusations and being mean to each other. He never really addressed what ADA thought about the bill. After reading your email poll, it appears to me that ADA didn't really have any problems with the bill proposal. Sure it mentions a couple of items in the email, but the gist of the email is that azsfw was that they had done so much good, we should probably accept the bill as good as well. I currently am not affiliated with any organization and consider myself pretty green in regards to this political approach to hunting/wildlife/conservation/money grab, whatever you call the bill that was proposed, and all the behind the scene activity that goes on. This mess has made me realize that I do need to get involved with an organization, but I am still curious as to who really has Arizona at interest.

What are the recommendations on fletching? My son is 14, shooting the mission craze, pulling 55lb. right now and all he has shot is field tips. Wondering about length, helical or not......using a whisker biscuit rest. Have not yet decided on what broadhead to use yet and I realize that is important in this decision with regards to fletching. Just looking for some ideas and direction.

Welcome back to the draw....... I had a short hiatus from the draw stress.! The nice thing about being a Montana resident, I can get an Elk, Deer,Bear and bird combo license for $77.00. That sounds like a great deal there.....but is it worth the cold???? If I thought my wife could handle the cold I would pack up and be gone......

Welcome back to the draw.......

Thanks for the comments. What does one fletching give me that the other doesn't? I don't understand enough about the dynamics to know what does what??

Zilch in our camp

We were at the Phoenix Zoo this weekend taking the grandkids for a visit to see the animals. We began to discuss why there were no elk in the Arizona exhibit. Then one of my sons made the comment that there were elk in 50% of Arizona so why did we need an exhibit at the zoo. I quickly said absolutely not, maybe 10% of the state had elk in it at any given time. So, if you were to take the state of Arizona and give elk a percentage areas where they are found. What would you give as a percentage? Arizona has approximately 114,000 square miles, so my estimate would claim that approximately 14,000 square miles of Arizona a person could find elk. Course my estimate was off the top of my head in an effort to dis-credit my son on his profound statement about there being elk in 50% of the state. Just a fun question to see what you think would be a good percentage given to the area covered by our elk herds here in Arizona. I am sure G&F has the answer to this question.

That is a fact right there.......cool video, kids make it happen.....

You ever tried busting one of those antlers? That has to cause a headache......nice finds....

We spend alot of time trying to make sure we have the necessary things with us when we are hiking, but AZ can be so extreme it is easy to forget and take precautions. Prayers out for the young man and those looking for him.