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Interesting thread from 2008 with some Larkism in it about pigs and peccary! http://www.coueswhitetail.com/forums/topic/8343-javelina-pig-or-rodent/page-2

Ben....look where you live!!!! Lots of strange names for things down there !!!

Never found an antler that didn't seem to be in anything but rough country.....I really am envious of those ATL pictures that show the antler in a flat, lush grassy open area!!! Good job DILL.......how many brothers you got anyway???

For the sake of argument, elk and red deer/stag are genetically identical, which is why they can produce viable, fertile offspring. If you took the DNA from a North American elk and a European red deer/stag, you couldn't tell the two apart by species. I sat in on a conservation genetics class almost 10 years ago and we discussed the paper and the species' genetics. I wish I still had that paper. Technically, they should have the exact same scientific name. Taxonomically, they should probably be subspecies, but it will likely never get published or recognized as such because of the record books. Evolving on separate continents for 10,000 years is what has lead to differences in antler growth and vocalizations, but they are still genetically identical. We don't call bull elk stag and cow elk hinds because we do our own thing compared to Europe/Asia. Its like "orthopedic" in NA and "orthopaedic" in Europe. Bill is correct in that Audad are more genetically akin to goats than sheep and I doubt any interbreeding would result in viable offspring, thus making them true hybrids, but arguing over common vernacular is kind of mute. Its kind of like when people tell me they've seen chicken hawks or timber rattlesnakes here in Arizona. Rather than trying to correct everyone and sound righteous (like I used to 20 years ago), I just start talking about it with them. heck, the biologist/taxonomist in me has even learned to start saying "Coos" when referring to those little whitetails! Having said all of that, I'm with Hoghutr and DesertBull in that hunting and harvesting a nice rambilly is one of my bucket list items! But for those of us that don't have any idea it is interesting conversation and enlightening knowledge wise!!! Like others have said, looks incredibly interesting and fun to hunt and would love for my wife to stick a tag in my Christmas/Birthday stocking!!! It must be late and two long days of being the single dad with my wife out of town must have caught up to me. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to take that as a compliment for contributing, or a "shut the #$@! up!" My intention was to contribute to the very interesting conversation and enlightenment. As you can probably tell, I love genetics, especially when it comes to conservation and what we do. Like Phil Cramer said earlier, I still call them rams and ewes and always have. Like you and others, I just want to hunt one! At one time, I almost had my wife talked into letting me put in for an Ibex tag in NM. Those are definitely goats! Absolutely not the shut up version, some of you guys truly know your stuff and some of us truly are clueless, I mean, a Javelina is for sure a pig right .For example, one of the best three way cross breed of pigs is Hampshire boar to a York sow then come back and breed that offspring with a Duroc and you have one of the best meat pigs on the market!!! But hey they are all pigs right??? Honestly was meaning that some of these topics like when you were helping us dissect the different snakes......I was very interested in the information you provided. I don't read much but I do read CWT every day I am in internet range and I have learned tons from the different sides that people present so don't "shut the #$@! up!" Now to show my ignorance on the subject I am assuming the AOUDAD is an imported critter right? Thanks! That's what happens when you're trying to get two kids to two different places at the same time while the next day's carefully laid out schedule changes. I also call javelina pigs even though I know better! Pretty sure they're rodents (my personal favorite to correct)! And, yes, they are nonnative and were imported. I believe the New Mexico population was the result of audad (also Barbary Sheep) escaping from a private ranch somewhere north of Carlsbad. Texas...oh, Texas. I think Texas has more nonnative, introduced game animals than native ones! My brother-in-law in Laredo actually turned me on to Audad hunting, but he wants to get his the old-fashioned Texas way. He wants to pay good money to sit over a feeder and wait for a good one to come in, same as how he wants to get a 7x7 elk someday. SMH... I know your the scientist but since you also think the world is like a billion years old.. I think they declassified javelina and know longer think they are a rat. The javelina is native to the Western Hemisphere while true pigs are native to Eastern.. So my question is why is it not just called a western hemisphered wild pig? Oh and i still wanna kill one of those sheep goat things! Especially now that I know they don't taste like a sheepgoat Earth is actually more than a billion years old, my friend! I was joking about the javelina/rodent thing. People try to tell me all the time that they are rodents and it makes me laugh. Javelina are not even in the pig family, which is why they aren't called a western hemisphered wild pig. Taxonomically, they are in the same order as pigs (Artiodactyla), but a different family. Their closest relatives are, in fact, pigs and hippos. Yes, you read that right: hippopotamuses (hippopatami?). No North American relative, but the Tayassuid family is known from the fossil record from all continents except Australia and Antarctica, so they were native almost all over at one point. And I still want to hunt an Audad/Barbary Sheep and shoot a nice Ram/billy, too! Which possibly explains some of my relatives!!!

For the sake of argument, elk and red deer/stag are genetically identical, which is why they can produce viable, fertile offspring. If you took the DNA from a North American elk and a European red deer/stag, you couldn't tell the two apart by species. I sat in on a conservation genetics class almost 10 years ago and we discussed the paper and the species' genetics. I wish I still had that paper. Technically, they should have the exact same scientific name. Taxonomically, they should probably be subspecies, but it will likely never get published or recognized as such because of the record books. Evolving on separate continents for 10,000 years is what has lead to differences in antler growth and vocalizations, but they are still genetically identical. We don't call bull elk stag and cow elk hinds because we do our own thing compared to Europe/Asia. Its like "orthopedic" in NA and "orthopaedic" in Europe. Bill is correct in that Audad are more genetically akin to goats than sheep and I doubt any interbreeding would result in viable offspring, thus making them true hybrids, but arguing over common vernacular is kind of mute. Its kind of like when people tell me they've seen chicken hawks or timber rattlesnakes here in Arizona. Rather than trying to correct everyone and sound righteous (like I used to 20 years ago), I just start talking about it with them. heck, the biologist/taxonomist in me has even learned to start saying "Coos" when referring to those little whitetails! Having said all of that, I'm with Hoghutr and DesertBull in that hunting and harvesting a nice rambilly is one of my bucket list items! But for those of us that don't have any idea it is interesting conversation and enlightening knowledge wise!!! Like others have said, looks incredibly interesting and fun to hunt and would love for my wife to stick a tag in my Christmas/Birthday stocking!!! It must be late and two long days of being the single dad with my wife out of town must have caught up to me. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to take that as a compliment for contributing, or a "shut the #$@! up!" My intention was to contribute to the very interesting conversation and enlightenment. As you can probably tell, I love genetics, especially when it comes to conservation and what we do. Like Phil Cramer said earlier, I still call them rams and ewes and always have. Like you and others, I just want to hunt one! At one time, I almost had my wife talked into letting me put in for an Ibex tag in NM. Those are definitely goats! Absolutely not the shut up version, some of you guys truly know your stuff and some of us truly are clueless, I mean, a Javelina is for sure a pig right . For example, one of the best three way cross breed of pigs is Hampshire boar to a York sow then come back and breed that offspring with a Duroc and you have one of the best meat pigs on the market!!! But hey they are all pigs right??? Honestly was meaning that some of these topics like when you were helping us dissect the different snakes......I was very interested in the information you provided. I don't read much but I do read CWT every day I am in internet range and I have learned tons from the different sides that people present so don't "shut the #$@! up!" Now to show my ignorance on the subject I am assuming the AOUDAD is an imported critter right?

For the sake of argument, elk and red deer/stag are genetically identical, which is why they can produce viable, fertile offspring. If you took the DNA from a North American elk and a European red deer/stag, you couldn't tell the two apart by species. I sat in on a conservation genetics class almost 10 years ago and we discussed the paper and the species' genetics. I wish I still had that paper. Technically, they should have the exact same scientific name. Taxonomically, they should probably be subspecies, but it will likely never get published or recognized as such because of the record books. Evolving on separate continents for 10,000 years is what has lead to differences in antler growth and vocalizations, but they are still genetically identical. We don't call bull elk stag and cow elk hinds because we do our own thing compared to Europe/Asia. Its like "orthopedic" in NA and "orthopaedic" in Europe. Bill is correct in that Audad are more genetically akin to goats than sheep and I doubt any interbreeding would result in viable offspring, thus making them true hybrids, but arguing over common vernacular is kind of mute. Its kind of like when people tell me they've seen chicken hawks or timber rattlesnakes here in Arizona. Rather than trying to correct everyone and sound righteous (like I used to 20 years ago), I just start talking about it with them. heck, the biologist/taxonomist in me has even learned to start saying "Coos" when referring to those little whitetails! Having said all of that, I'm with Hoghutr and DesertBull in that hunting and harvesting a nice rambilly is one of my bucket list items! But for those of us that don't have any idea it is interesting conversation and enlightening knowledge wise!!! Like others have said, looks incredibly interesting and fun to hunt and would love for my wife to stick a tag in my Christmas/Birthday stocking!!!

What state/area are you in? Lots of browns being pulled in S.NM right now. Eastern AZ.......

Saw this on Facebook last night and thought it was a pretty impressive clip of a coach that has a pretty dominating program. I actually enjoy watching womens college ball, the dunk is not yet a weapon so shooting and an actual offense is needed to be successful!!!

And AZ has to get by Xavier....that is not a given!!!Gotta love March Madness cause nothing is a given!!! Go get'm Cats!!! I agree. And to the point of March Madness, there has been some great basketball being played. I've enjoyed watching over the weekend. I didn't get to watch any games....was too busy out kicking around in the hills checking out new hunting country having a great time!!! Wish I had tickets to finals down in the valley though, those games are fun to watch with the crowd!!!

Saw a herd of 15 bulls a week ago today...all were packing except one....and he still had one side......

And AZ has to get by Xavier....that is not a given!!! Gotta love March Madness cause nothing is a given!!! Go get'm Cats!!!

Good to see you got some payoff for the work you put into it......$800 ain't bad right???

Coming out of unit 23 late one night......maybe 10:30.......wife is asleep after a long day scouting.........I slowly pull over....then start to back up......my wife wakes up, honey what is wrong.......nothing dear just checking something out!!! I stop...pull forward then backward then forward then backward....every time with a slight lump in the bump.........honey...what are you doing. Nothing dear, just taking care of a little business in the middle of the road!!! Would have loved to seen the look on the drivers of those two cars you encountered!!!

So if I am spot lighting and have fire arms in my vehicle am I looking for trouble with the law?

Absolutely beautiful! Just go where you can and don't where you can't!!!

I gotta admit.......FLAT BRIMMED HATS really do drive me crazy!!! Oopps...sorry my brim got in the way!!!

I gotta admit.......FLAT BRIMMED HATS really do drive me crazy!!!

I gotta admit.......FLAT BRIMMED HATS really do drive me crazy!!!

I spent two years in Norway and got as much of the chilly environment as I wanted.....but I gotta admit 2016 population of 757,952 That is pretty tempting!!!!

A quote from one of the comments on that article.... "If it's not your, keep your booger hooks off it." Never heard them called booger hooks!!!

It says developed or point water Can't wait to hear a clear definition of a point water source!!!

Honestly sounds like a G$F nightmare...............short of an overall ban on cams.

A teacher at our school has put together an after school program involving students interested in becoming more tech savy. They entered a contest that initially started out competing against schools across the nation. They have been narrowed down to the top ten finalists out of the 50 states. We need help voting for this project! Please take the time to watch the short video and then vote for SJHS!! Ironic thing is if you take the time to watch the video you will notice it is wildlife related in an effort to help reduce accidents on the highway involving animals. http://www.samsung.com/us/solvefortomorrow/home.html If you scroll to the bottom of the page you will find all finalist videos! All voting is via twitter so I had to break down and get a twitter account Thanks for looking and appreciate any votes we can get. You can vote once per day until the competition is over. Jeff If you follow me on twitter Jeff Mortensen nontypical60 you can just click the link there and it will take you to the site to vote. If you are familiar with twitter you probably already know that but I know nothing about twitter except how to vote for this project!!!

The Lobos got my vote but dont tell any Yellow Jackets I'll deny it. great video when will they start using them thanks for sharing. Hey, thanks for voting for us we will keep it undercover! Bump to the top for our Lobo kids for another week and a half!!!

I don't like more laws and prefer the use of common sense. Seems like the idea of staying away from "water" is a healthy approach and yet for many parts of AZ water comes and it goes so it could be a tricky law to enforce/abide by. Seeps, springs and such that are sometimes not known to many hunters can be really fun to set cams on and get great pictures. Sometimes there is water there and sometimes not! I am not a fan of trail cams on tanks or sitting tanks for hunting purposes but that is just my own hunting preference. This is a buck we chased for 3 years in a very remote part of AZ and the tall grass he is standing in is a seep spring. We hunted there because we had pictures of this buck on trail cam but we never got a shot at this buck in three years of looking for him!(horrible hunters) We thoroughly enjoyed checking the cams as a family, but as remote as this is I still lost two cameras that were at this same seep. Fun times, I sure hate to see them law this up........