Crazymonkey

If its legal to use its a matter of ethics and hunting preference .IF we as hunters can't stop with the b.s on what's legal and what's marginal it will only give the tree huggers more to drive a wedge into things ultimately putting an end to most hunting for ourselves and others.DO I see a problem with the ar pistol maybe if its shouldered .have I hunted with my ar 15 absolutely mine is a rifle and used during rifle only seasons.look we can all find something we don't like about how others hunt or what methods they use we may not like it but it's there choice and its legal.I will say if you do shoulder your at pistol it just gives those who don't wish to see them used more reason to complain about them .

Gotcha on powder first .I would've thought changing seating depth would have an effect on pressure but then I read an article about it and they were saying you can run in quite a bit before it has any effect.it goes against logic but works .you'd think as you move in you decrease case capacity and should see an increase but they say it takes like .250 or so before it matters.THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL YOU HELP !!hopefully I can get the jeep fixed and get out to shoot

Well ammo is all loaded to run another test and my jeep oil pump is throwing a fit .its a 2012 and keeps getting oil pump codes so no range day for me .looks like ill be crawling under to fix as the stealership is 2700 to fix a 200 dollar part that should only take 3 or 4 hrs.thanks lance I'm looking into hammer bullets I'm going to call and see what they recommend for my setup.O Don't buy a jeep its the most labor intensive car I've ever owned its always got some kinda code on .I'm going back to Toyota

I have 10x50 leupold binos not super expensive I think I paid 500 bucks new .I can tell you if you can get the best you can afford it makes a difference.I've run mine and then looked thru swarovski and you loose a lot in detail and clarity.I'm a firm believer in a good spotting scope and you can find vortex fairly cheap .it works real good if they don't make the model any more they will upgrade to current design .I had a older skyline and it broke and sent it in and got a New viper hd in return. Payed 200 bucks for used skyline and got a 8-900 scope under warranty no cost .I run the binos for location and spotter to make sure it's worth the effort to go after

I got 2 only 2 left

After several posts and a few hundred bucks in lapua brass its gonna be a very careful full size and a aneal on the necks every other firing to keep the necks from holding a set and not giving a constant repeated neck tension

Sign me up pigs with aks and rpgs.

Congrats.your little guy will remember this hunt .

Please don't get cocky like this guy .most here are good guys and tho they may not walk you into there spots they will offer soild info.its easy to spot early elk as they begin the rut its also why the kids get first crack at them.Its to get them on animals and get them hooked.glass and scout and repeat in New spots have as many as you can they will move a lot between the time you hunt

What the poor guy don't get is those elk he's seeing won't be there when it comes time to hunt .I've run camera's in that unit for months at a time when I first started hunting.thought I had it figured out .pulled cards the day before hunt and like clockwork elk 3 Times a day same as always.I didn't see another elk in the remote area again we went about 15 miles down the road and I shot my first cow elk on the last day.a few years and some time in the woods will show that the advice was solid

.In all seriousness get checked !!! Its easy and don't cost much more than a office visit.I'm 48 and can tell you it gets real expensive to go thru all the ct scans MRI and nuke scans not to mention all the blood tests if they think something is wrong .lucky for me its not cancer but just real whacky blood test levels that the doc's can't figure out. Good people die every day for not getting tested .its no joke.

Best wishes.Makes you guys think(wonder where my docs hands have been today?)try and remember to look at your docs hands and go with the one with small hands and no sausage fingers.!!!!

Weather can be an issue there is always the chance of rain or snow on the late hunts I've got a trailer but you can tent if you wish we usually find a camp close to where we hunt and hike or take the sxs in way before first light.it was 17 degrees last year on my 6a muzzy hunt .trailer helped but froze the water tanks so no running water for days.good optics and a tripod help 10x42 or 10x50 or larger binos or a good spotting scope help.the elk will be pressured hard from all the early hunts .as stated lots of small or broken off racks .just remember you can't eat the horns !!look for the spots way back in food and water and less people.I'd spend your $ on more trips to scout and look than on guides.pick a grid and look .get some flatline maps or the GPS maps .the elk will light up first light you can usually see there hides shine in the sun and give there location away

There is a lot to be learned from all those sources.You get a lot of info from just reading and listening.I'd agree people don't like to give up info on spots it's always going to be an issue.I've done it and took my buddies son into a spot way back in and the next year there was 4 guys he new that had been in and hunted there .shot a deer I'd watched for over a year .what pissed me off was the fact they thru the meat in a dirty cooler and then complained about it tasting like soap and thru it out.SO RULE OF THUMB IF YOU PLAN ON SHARING INFO REMEMBER THEY CAN AND WILL USUALLY DO THE SAME.YOUR LITTLE HIDDEN GEM WON'T BE FOR LONG.

Graf&sons has some super pricey

I've got a redhawk with the same length barrel .way heavier gun it was a handful to shoot .I had it magna ported its pure joy to shoot it indoors .scares the crap outa most in the range and it shoots cool flames out in a nice v pattern

I'd say Democrat look at him.he's in someone's place looking for a free meal.

My buddies have had this tag year after year its a tuf hunt.they have been lucky to take elk most years .like most have stated elk are going to be pressured but they still need food water and a source for cover .use what you've learned and work from there maps and Google earth work for finding good spots look for travel corridors.the elk you've seen so far probably ok definitely won't be there come time to hunt.but like all things they will move to cover and water. Good luck and keep scouting it will pay off!!!

You guys forgot the drum mag and a red dot .if your going to piss off a liberal might as well go all out

As stated ill give two boxes 50 rds total to the first ill take them .the catch is your kid must be there .the cost is free and only a thank you required I'm in Gilbert and will be available sat or Sun afternoon again free for kids .and no 18 is not a kid anymore.the rest of the shells will be for sale I've got 12 and 20 probably 100 plus of each ill post later

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Only a few more days left.get your kids some free shells.any left at the close of dove will be up for your kids in November.ill be in California in November to hunt with dad but ill do my best to make them available.

I have 5 sets of 50 rounds of 20 gauge shells .there free for your kids just a smile and thank you.see my other post on free for kids. I live in Gilbert work in Phoenix and can meet any where in between time permitting

Only a few days left till dove is done .get your kids some free shells before it's to late.All remaining shells left after the end of the season will be put back up for the November start.I will be in California some time in November but ill do my best to make them available.IF THERE IS SOME ONE IN TUSON WHO WISHES TO HELP HAND OUT SHELLS IN NOVEMBER PLEASE PM ME .I KNOW WE HAD SOME INTEREST FOR SOME SHELLS BUT THE DRIVE TO GET THEM GOT IN THE WAY.I'D LIKE TO RUN AT LEAST A CASE IN EACH LOCATION.

Ok I've got a question on loading usually you start light and work up on powder but when your working for the happiest place for seating depth on barns copper would you just run a light charge and run loads at various seating depths to get the sweet spot first then work up powder?