Very well said wetmule. There is a huge base of both res and non-res TROPHY hunters. As tag numbers continue to creep up more and more every year it makes me very sad to see once great trophy areas continue to go down hill in the name of hunter opportunity. The deer in AZ have been the meal ticket of the AZGFD for so long that some areas would be incapable of ever returning to what they once where , even if they did start a proper manangement strategy. Anyone that says the AZGFD manages for the best interest of the deer herd is sorely mistaken. I know of several units south of the canyon that have all yielded trophy quality mule deer in years past. Today you would need unlimited scouting days and a huge amount of luck to even locate a 6-7 year old buck. Which does not make them a trophy. And another thing , the AZGFD continues to increase tags in the last trophy areas az has to offer , 13a and 13b. They age the harvested bucks every year with teeth. Even if the tooth study produces a result of 5-7 year old bucks making up the majority of the harvest does not mean there is room for more tags. Just because a buck reaches maturity by no means is he automatically a "trophy buck". With all the technology that has come to be in the last ten years to aid the trophy hunter , trophy buck harvest is at an all time high in these units. As the last trophy units that AZ has ,why the heck can"t the AZGFD just leave well enough alone. I will quote someone elses taglinein saying "AZGFD is the downfall of arizona hunting". There is alot of truth in this statement. As wetmule stated there needs to be a balance between opportunity and quality. Let them keep increasing tag numbers and all the hunters in favor of "more opportunity"now will start bitchin about seeing no deer and lots more hunters. I am done with my rant and thanks for listening.