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My advice would be to call the G&F and ask them for some options, Sounds like there may be some options. S. PS: I feel for your friend with the torn Rotary Cuff. I tore/detached mine and had a cartliage separation (plus a fracture...) while on my kid's junior hunt in early October. I'm now one week out of surgery and getting ready to start rehab. Hurts like a son of a gun! Hoping to be ready to carry a back-pack for the early Dec whitetail hunt! Good luck to your buddy!!!!!

It had been a couple of years, but my two youngest kids once again wanted to put in for the Kiabab Antlerless hunt. We put Nicky, Greta, and two of their friends in on one application and they were lucky enough to get drawn. A buddy's son from Tucson also got drawn, so we had 5 kids in our camp with tags. The hunt had some ups and downs, but overall was a blast! In addition to four dads with 5 hunters, I had two other great friends join just for the camping & fun! We ended-up with seven adults and nine kids in our camp. Awesome time! Like I said, there were ups and downs! First the 'down': On opening morning I was walking in the dark around the front of my pick-up to start it and warm it up. I ended-up tripping over a tent stake, and did a header directly into the front-right wheel well of my pick-up! Got-up to wipe the snow/mud off of myself and found that my left arm wasn't working. Hurt like @%$^%@!!!! Of course I stuck it out and hunted all weekend. Went to the M.D. last Monday, to discover I broke my left shoulder in several places plus 'separated it'! Looks like surgery may be in my near future...... I'll find-out early this week when the surgeon looks at the M.R.I. results. OK, now to the 'ups'! We had an amazing time on the Kiabab!!! A little sloppy weather on Friday, but that didn't keep us down! Saturday and Sunday were beautiful days! All five kids had their deer by Noon on day two, and we then spent the rest of the time just relaxing, cooking, laughing, etc..... LOTS OF FUN!! Also, another factoid, there were five deer killed on this hunt and only five shots fired! All junior hunters made great 'one shot' kills on their deer! A few pics below! S. PS: I know that some folks are not fond of this hunt, as they don't want any does/antlerless deer being killed (since it ultimately means less bucks). That being said, it is a GREAT opportunity for a youngster to have a fun hunt with lots of animals seen. We always love it, and I'm glad the kids got drawn. Greta and Annie on opening morning! Looking at the way Greta is bundled-up, you would think it was -20 degrees!!! Nick and his deer. He shot it about 20 minutes into opening morning! Around Noon on opening day we came back to camp for some brunch/breakfast. This is the weather we dealt with on and off for most of the day! Greta and Annie relaxing and having fun while breakfast was being cooked! Campfire time! Dutch-oven meals every night!!! My little sweetie and I with her deer! A little 'button buck' shot on the second morning. She's learning how to skin! All five kids and their trophys!

OUTSTANDING!!! Thanks for sharing with the site! S.

AWESOME!!! Amanda, you took the words from me! Happy/gorgeous/awesome smile!! Ear to ear in every pic! Love it! Good for Tina and all involved! S.

+1 on being prepared for road conditions and on the size thing (They are always WAY bigger in the living-room! )! We used to always cut pinons here in AZ, but also have since preferred spruce...... I'm 47 now, but since I was a tiny tike my family has made a tradition of cutting our own trees. Now I take my own kids..... Used to pick permits up OTC in Globe on the way to the annual event! LOL They used to give permits for pinons in the 7 Mile Wash area, and we always went there. We have always made a BIG picnic of it over the years. Guitars, afternoon campfire, chili, corn bread, coffee/cocoa and lots of fun! We usuallly go the first weekend or two of December. Great memories for sure, Non-Typical! The one thing I think you'll find if you've never cut your own before is that as long as you keep it in water, it will be the most green/fresh tree you will ever have! The ones sold at Home Depot and the 'tree lots' have been cut already or are being cut as we speak! Cut your own the first week or two of December, and you'll have the best fresh tree you've ever had!! Have fun gmcbob, and get a good one! S.

Saw this a few times via various news sources this week. Pretty funny pic, I think. They were obviously note engineers or geometry thinkers..... Reminds me of a time or two as a teenager getting my dad's Suburban high-centered on various obsticles while trying to get the extra 1/4 of a mile while quail hunting with my buddies. Learned a few lessons back then....... Like how to use a High Lift jack and a shovel!! Not sure I get your point about 'still tolerating it' though? What are we tolerating? S.

I don't necessarily see killing ANYTHING as a 'great accomplishment', Jbird. I don't think it makes me accomplished to kill something. I just think it is something fun that I like to do. When I go hunting with my friends or kids, I just like to have a good time and try to fill my tag or help them fill theirs. It's fun, I get to be outside where I love to be, and I get to be with folks I know and love. Brings me back to my childhood, and I enjoy that. Kind of like a homecoming each year......That's all it is to me. "don't get hung up on scores. Get hung up on hunting" lark Where is he anyway? BTW; I find it a bit ironic that you quoted Lark's words above. Isn't what he was saying a bit contradictory to your original point in this thread? Either way, this is a great debate! Opinions galore.... Happy hunting all! S. PS: Not sure what state you are in, but here in AZ it has never been illegal to kill spikes. At least not in the past 40 years or so.....

Outstanding!! Good for her! Thanks for sharing with the site! S.

Nice buck! Congrats!!! Any short story to go along with your short hunt?? S.

Wow! 'Wackin and Stackin'!!! Congrats on a great opening day! S.

AWESOME!!!!!! What an awesome buck! Great story too! Thanks for sharing with the site! S.

Class act! +1!!! Good luck in finding the owner. Karma is a wonderful thing..... S.

VERY AWESOME!!! Thank for sharing with the site! S.

There is only one or two WM's per unit, yet 100s of hunters. Why wouldn't they rely on hunters? What is wrong with that? They don't have unlimited resources and rely on us hunters to help. (BTW, I also feel strongly that it is the hunter's right to hold on to information they aquire. No need to turn it over to G&F if you don't want to.) S.

Awesome! Great buck! Good for AJ! Thanks for sharing with the site. S.

VERY AWESOME!!!!! Looks like you all had an amazing time! Elk and deer at the same time! Kind of like an 'Arizona Safari'!! Great pics and story of your time up there! The meat pole shot is awesome! Kudos for getting the kids out there and enjoying the great things we all have! S.

Thanks for all of the kind words, folks. Yes, it was an awesome time! Even with the shoulder situation, I would do it again and again! Truth be told, I was actually able to 'milk' the shoulder injury all weekend long! I didn't gut, drag, skin, lift, or cut a deer all weekend! That's what great friends are for! Also, when it came time to pack-up and head home, I didn't lift or haul anything! Again, good friends and kids pulled my weight! (At one point, one of my buddies said to someone "OK, did anyone actually see him fall???" ) The real bummer was that I wasn't able to break-out my guitar for the traditional picking/singing around the fire. Oh well, next time I suppose..... TJ, the venison will be outstanding. The backstraps on those little yearlings are amazing! Eileen, YES! Pray for more snow!!! Good luck to you up there! Next stop is a hunt in late Nov with my oldest son and friends (with a little scouting and quail hunting in between....)! Happy hunting all! S. PS: Everyone should pack lots of Alieve in your hunting supplies! Didn't work magic, but took the edge off.....

VERY cool!!!!! Thanks for sharing! S.

I really like the BDLs. I own one in .7MM Rem Mag caliber and love shooting it. Wish I had some extra money at this time, and I likely would have bought this. Good luck selling it! Hopefully you find someone who is looking for an awesome all-around rifle! S.

+1 some western justice. PETA people shooting-up trailers? Um, I'm not sure how anyone could come to that logical conclusion right away. Not too many PETA members running around the woods with 9MM pistols, I'm guessing. My bet would be that it was some dumb yahoo (maybe liquored-up). Either way, it sucks! S.

Sorry for the loss. That is a real drag. They can definitely die suddenly of natural causes, just like humans can. A buddy of mine had a dog that died very suddenly a couple of years ago. He was there when it happened, and said his dog simply stood-up whined a little for a moment and then fell over dead on the spot. The vet suspected a heart attack in that case. S.

Holy heck, Casey! AWESOME!!!! Sincere congrats to you and your bride! (You're right, she is a gorgeous bride!) Like you, Doug, and many others, I've been around this site for a LONG time! I feel like an old man, watching you 'grow-up' over the years. Married now! Wow! Again, congrats and best wishes in this next phase of your life! S.

AWESOME! Thanks for sharing with the site! S.

WOW! Awesome for Keelee and very cool to have your father there to! Thanks for sharing with the site! S.

Absolutely NOTHING wrong with asking for some advice/help on an area you're not familiar with. Haters will hate, and some will throw out a negative comment or two but that is their problem if they want to spend their energy on negative comments, IMO..... Those that want to chip-in if they have information can. Those that don't want to (or don't have the information) don't have to. A few folks, if they are going to direct to specific areas will prefer to do it via private message as opposed to on the public thread. Unfortunately, I don't have any information that I can personally share. I just don't know 20C that well. I hope you get some helpful information! Good luck on your hunt and thanks for using this site! S.