I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but this bull was a good Arizona grown bull. He shot this bull on the Apache Reservation. This area is known for giant bulls and huge Coues deer. I have personally talked to the hunter, Mike, and the taxidermist, Chris Williams, he's a true artist. I will hold my personal opinions about the hunter but the truth is he shot a whopper. The reason it wasnt entered was between the hunter and the tribe, it was a weird deal. I cant say more because it will give away who I am but I am from the White mountains. Copies were made of this bull and they are spectacular. The best steakhouse on the mountain had one in the bar area, it's under new owners now and I dont know if it's still there. It's a richmans game now days and it makes me sick, but I still drag my butt up and down the mountain with only a day pack good binos and rifle, chasing the Gray Ghost that eludes me, I don't have to feed an ego. I just wanted to clear up a few things about a natural, monarch bull. By the way, lots of 400 bulls have already been killed on PUBLIC lands in AZ unit 1 and 27. New Mexico 16 is a good one too. Some huge Coues have been killed also. I saw a 141 in 1997 that came from Ft Apache that made me about swallow my tounge. TAKE A KIDHUNTING.