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Allen, What can I do to help from Payson on a small scale? I do not, will not go to the Valley. If it is just folding mailers and that would help let me know. I will talk C-n-S into doing it Honestly though I could help out in a way like that. Its a great organization and would like to contribute. Hopefully you can get some other folks to help better than I can.

I will be the first to admit I don't know squat about ML's I have a box (49) of Montana Precision Swaging Paper Patch bullets They are ".45Cal 450 grain Cup Base, Dia. .450, Tapered Paper Patch" Is this something you could use? Because of your help in the past and standing as a CWT family member I would send them to you if you could use them.

Did you see Red Rabbits post on the pellet stove? I have a wood stove but though it might be nice. Sure would be nice to sleep all night and be warm in the morning. http://forums.coueswhitetail.com/forums/in...mp;#entry149535

Dang you Jim Amanda. have you mailed my order yet? Add 2 more if you haven't and I will send payment in the morning. If you did I will add them to my next order, (if I make one ) Oh Ya If you have not boxed it up get with Clay as he had a mirror for me but we had to find a way to get it to Payson. Thanks

Boy did you have some ideas rushing thru my mind But i have decided not to put you or Lark in a awkward position

Beer money running low Brian don't wait till the last minute for the RV work you need done like Ty is also doing My schedule is about three weeks out now so plan ahead. September is not that far out.

Thanks everyone, and keep tuning in... I'm just getting started! Thanks Tim for keeping us posted. Looking forward to the upcoming scouting and hunt Stories I hope you have PM'd Terry about his offer Sure is nice when you live in the unit and can scout like you can. Best of luck.

I need to get a mirror for my quad so I can get it registered. I had a Rhode Gear mirror before and liked it since it attached with Velcro and could be removed for going in brush but i tore the velcro off and need a new one. A web search shows they are out of business so need something else. What are you guys using and like? I will need a couple and as far as I know there are not any bike shops here.

Go play with the pups

Kent Thank you Very much for posting That. I get real chocked up when I watch the one I posted But yours Brought running tears down my face. Thank you and Again the ones who are protecting our Country. God Bless

That is just Great. Hope this event really takes off. My hat off to all the volunteers.

Thank You

Part of the reason for low success last year was it was a full moon and the Elk went nocturnal for the first part of the hunt.

SWEET GRAD PRESENT Beats the heck out of a 69 Vet I think Enjoy your baby as I am sure it is what you asked for. After 20 plus years of feeding your belly I am happy your parents had the funds for such a nice gift. Now, go make her shoot

Well I think it is a great concept and hope it lives up to my expectations since I just ordered 2 along with a bino pack and new cap to replace my old worn out faded one, We have to look our best when representing the family you know

Do not have enough of either to trade so please shot me a PM on a price to buy it. Thanks

What do you want? I could use some more Varget. I am down to 3#

krp that great Yes guys there are Coues and Mulies in 22 I doubt thing will be worth a crap 2 years from now. The Department seems to want to make this easy access unit for the flatlanders to provide "opportunity". You have seen pictures of some good bucks taken here and for the most part they are very hard earned not just a weekend hunter but we all get lucky some times. If you want to put in for 22 now is your best chance to draw a tag and you maybe one of the 10% that may harvest. After a couple years of this BS they will cut tags back big time (I hope) If I do draw a tag this year you will not find me anywhere to stop by for a beer. krp, boy would I like to have you pack team along, way better looking than the butt heads I have had in camp before

Just checked the rain gauge. Over 1-1/4" since the storm started. May have been some evaporation but doubt it since the sun has not shined. Feel for the people up camping this weekend. But hey, happens most years up here.

Looks great Jim. Really gives you a feeling that you will have a FUN hunt. No problem uploading but I'm on a desk top.

Well Brent, if you have to eat it than killing the taste with Cajun spices, burning it so all you taste is spicy carbon and then cooling that down with gumbo, Home fries so the starch can absorb all the poision and lots of beer It may work Nice catch CouesRidge

Would you guys PLEASE stop bringing this post back to the top Amanda, could you please the ban the posting of GSP's on the site Sure Glad C and D are gone

We just had a pretty good little rain. More is expected until Tuesday.

Here is some info everyone may find helpful Getting the Best Precision and Accuracy from Berger VLD bullets in Your Rifle Berger Bullets' Eric Stecker has just made available a tech bulletin in Word format. Getting the Best Precision and Accuracy from VLD bullets in Your Rifle Background VLD bullets are designed with a secant ogive. This ogive shape allows bullets to be more efficient in flight (retain more velocity = less drop and wind deflection). While this result is desirable for many rifle shooters the secant ogive on the VLD bullets produces another result in many rifles. It can be difficult to get the VLD to group well (poor accuracy). For years we encouraged shooters to use a base of cartridge to end of bearing surface OAL (I will use the term COAL to represent this dimension) which allows the VLD to touch the rifling or to be jammed in the rifling. This provided excellent results for many shooters but there were others who did not achieve top performance with the VLD jammed in their rifling. These shooters were left with the belief that the VLD bullets just won’t shoot in their rifle. Other groups of shooters were discouraged by our recommendation to touch the rifling. Some of these shooters knew that at some point during a target competition they will be asked to remove a live round. With the bullet jammed in the rifling there was a good chance the bullet will stick in the barrel which could result in an action full of powder. This is hard on a shooter during a match. Yet another group of shooters who were discouraged by our recommendation to touch the rifling are those who feed through magazines or have long throats. Magazine length rounds loaded with VLDs could not touch the lands in most rifles (this is the specific reason that for years we said VLD bullets do not work well in a magazine). When a rifle could be single fed but was chambered with a long throat a loaded round that was as long as possible still would not touch the rifling. Until recently, shooters who suffered from these realities were believed to be unable to achieve success with VLD bullets. Admittedly, we would receive the occasional report that a rifle shot very well when jumping the VLD bullets but we discounted these reports as anomalies. It was not until the VLD became very popular as a game hunting bullet that we were then able to learn the truth about getting the VLD bullets to shoot well in a large majority of rifles. After we proved that the Berger VLD bullets are consistently and exceptionally capable of putting game down quickly we started promoting the VLD to hunters. We were nervous at first as we believe the VLD needed to be in the rifling to shoot well and we also knew that most hunters use a magazine and SAMMI chambers. Our ears were wide open as the feedback was received. It was surprising to hear that most shooters described precision results by saying “this is the best my rifle has ever shot.” We scratched our heads about this for awhile until we started getting feedback from hunters who were competition shooters as well. Many were the same guys who were telling us for years that the VLDs shoot great when jumped. Since a much larger number of shooters were using the VLD bullets with a jump we started comparing all the feedback and have discovered the common characteristics in successful reports which gave us the information needed to get VLD working in your rifle. We were able to relay these characteristics to several shooters who were struggling with VLD bullets. Each shooter reported success after applying our recommendation. Getting the Best Precision and Accuracy from VLD bullets in Your Rifle Solution The following has been verified by numerous shooters in many rifles using bullets of different calibers and weights. It is consistent for all VLD bullets. What has been discovered is that VLD bullets shoot best when loaded to a COAL that puts the bullet in a “sweet spot”. This sweet spot is a band .030 to .040 wide and is located anywhere between jamming the bullets into the lands and .150 jump off the lands. Note: When discussing jam and jump I am referring to the distance from the area of the bearing surface that engages the rifling and the rifling itself. There are many products that allow you to measure these critical dimensions. Some are better than others. I won’t be going into the methods of measuring jam and jump. If you are not familiar with this aspect of reloading it is critically important that you understand this concept before you attempt this test. Many reloaders feel (and I tend to agree) that meaningful COAL adjustments are .002 to .005. Every once in a while I might adjust the COAL by .010 but this seems like I am moving the bullet the length of a football field. The only way a shooter will be able to benefit from this situation is to let go of this opinion that more than .010 change is too much (me included). Trying to find the COAL that puts you in the sweet spot by moving .002 to .010 will take so long the barrel may be worn out by the time you sort it out if you don’t give up first. Since the sweet spot is .030 to .040 wide we recommend that you conduct the following test to find your rifles VLD sweet spot. Load 24 rounds at the following COAL if you are a target competition shooter who does not worry about jamming a bullet: 1. .010 into (touching) the lands (jam) 6 rounds 2. .040 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds 3. .080 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds 4. .120 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds Load 24 rounds at the following COAL if you are a hunter (pulling a bullet out of the case with your rifling while in the field can be a hunt ending event which must be avoided) or a competition shooter who worries about pulling a bullet during a match: 1. .010 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds 2. .050 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds 3. .090 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds 4. .130 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds Shoot 2 (separate) 3 shot groups in fair conditions to see how they group. The remarkable reality of this test is that one of these 4 COALs will outperform the other three by a considerable margin. Once you know which one of these 4 COAL shoots best then you can tweak the COAL +/- .002 or .005. Taking the time to set this test up will pay off when you find that your rifle is capable of shooting the VLD bullets very well (even at 100 yards). Regards, Eric Stecker Master Bulletsmith