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I would buy the video, But would pay better money to be there with you guys to see it in real life. I am with you on the zumbo isue. Over on the arizona sportsmans journal web site they are all warm and fuzzy about zumbos letter and choice to not hunt a bull in arizona. Jeff foxworthy said he will not hunt this year in arizona to show his suport. Now that is someone I respect more for his action than zumbos. Besides that big Jim Zumbos cowboy hat is ugly.

Jim Zumbo says he is giving up his tag for this year to show he had nothing to do with the mess. In the same letter he said he will continue to use uso outfitters to draw tags for him. He said with all his writing and hunting he has no time to put in for himself. Hog wash if you ask me. If he lets his arizona tag go then that means he will only kill 6 Elk this year not 7 right. I said the same thing on another forum and those guys over there did not like it. It is like sept 11, they have already forgotten. They think that because Big Jim took the time to write an email to explain that he is a showing his suport to us. OK what ever. I know Lark will agree with me right.

I knew chris farley still lived. Your my hero tommy boy.

Enesto ( the buff woodsman) I knew I had seen you some place before. You are a legend in the woods. THE BUFF WOODSMAN. I guess you will be on the cover. That way you can show us the right way it is done.

That is why I love this site. All this great info will help me become a better hunter.

Bullwidgeon I like your idea, Just save your money for a great pair of boots. Dont forget the orange vest also.

I use map tech on my computer. All I realy ever use in the field is the red arizona atlas book for 20.00 . It works good enough for me. I have taken mine and marked out each boundry for each hunt unit on it.

I saw a big horn sheep get hit a couple years ago. It was still alive and I called the game warden. He came out and I told him how the guy that hit it was mad at me because I would not put it out of its pain by shooting it with my pistol. I told him you would never find my bullet in that animal. The warden told me that was a good Idea to not shoot it.The warden came out and put it down and took the animal with him. He said they needed it to study because big horns should not be in the area. I see them all the time in that area. I bet he has a nice big desert ram hanging on his wall as I type this out. Just another thing to think about. I have thought about taking the horns of of raod kill before, But then I start thinking of how to explain a fresh cut set of horns if I get pulled over. I have had sheds taken out of my truck by a warden to make sure they are drops not cut. I have one monster mule deer horn of a buck I saw get smeared by a big rig down in unit 32. I was glassing him as he was coming from 30b into 32 and smack. I saw were the horn landed off the side of the road. After the deer was picked up by the highway crew I went back and got the horn. He was a monster and sad to see him waste like that. Would not be much good meat left after being hit by a big rig.

The picture I got last year of a monster was just about a hundred yards down the hill from the main highway. This buck was seen not far from the road too. Maybe I am working to hard to get as far of the beaten path as I can. Just a thought. I will never give up my long hikes in search of my next monster coues buck though.

They are real pictures. Someone always has to say they are fake. I have a picture that I got last year of a buck that is the brother to that one. It is blury and I cant clear it up at all. I did not post it because of the bluryness and I just knew some one would say that is not real. I emaild it to amanda a while back . I do not know how to post pics on this site. so I guess I may email the to someone else and see if they can post it for me.

Yes get the lion tag.

It will cost you alot more that that to be packed in and picked up. You would probably spend about the same as an un guided hunt. My cousin does this for people he uses his five horses and three mules. He will pack you in about 10 or 12 miles to your picked location and drop you. Then at the end of the week he will ride back in and haul you out.

Your best bet to get him. will be to find his tracks. so you know where he is coming from. Then clean them away. and check everyday tell you see his tracks back in that spot. It will help you learn how many days he is away from that spot. It does not always work this way, But it is one way to hunt them with out dogs. Another thing you may try doing is set your trail cam at that spot and see if you can figure it out by the pictures.

If you could have killed him it would have made that spot better. Just think he may take the one you want.

Are you ready to make a deal on a hand gun yet. Just think you could of had your lion right there. That is why I pack a hand gun all the time. Some times it is even just my bereta 25 auto in my back pocket. It makes enough pop to scare something off . I bet you were thinking even a 22 would be good right now.

DESERTBULL YOU ARE RIGHT I EVEN PACK A BACK UP OF THOSE WITH ME. HAHAHA.

You got that right stay away from the klumps for sure.

The mule mountains are a good spot. I would have to say that unit is a hard one to fill a tag in right now. It is going to get better in the future I hope. I would say it has been hunted hard and shot out very bad. I have some spots in there right now that I have been watching the last couple of years. It is on the mend. I would like to see them close that unit for a couple of years and let it go through a rehab. I lived in St David all my life and was in unit 30B all the time. The dragoons still hold some nice couse bucks but they are not seen as often as they used to be. I am hoping that my bucks I have seen make it to pass on there seed . If you can let them small ones keep getting big down there. The problem is to many guys come and shoot all the small dumb bucks that are still drinking milk off there mommy. Then are less bucks in the area, I did not mean to get off on a tangent there. The mules and dragoons are a good choice but a hard hunt.

Now your last sentance is exactly what I have been talking about in all my other posts above. "Interpretation of the law". You can see it has caused you more trouble than you wanted to deal with. If they get anymore contol to Interperet there laws the way they want to we could get in trouble for things that are not wrong. Then if you can aford it you can fight it . If you cant then you pay the fee. I am glad you have got it taken care of. I hope the guy gets a butt chewing. But then it will just be one more greenie that has it out for you in that area.

I am 32 years old with three kids and a 27 year old wife. That deer was my very first deer I killed. The next year I killed a monster 3x3 mule deer. If you took the hunter saftey course you can hunt at the age of ten not fourteen. I cant have bed head at all so that is not a fair catagory I shave my head. Now the weight thing you just might have a point there. I am working on it. If you reread what it said by my photos that deer is 20 years old. If you saw the mount up close you would see every year.

Treestandman he is not going to go get it at all. like Dimondback said most of them don't get out and hoof it through the hills. I would just give it some time and go get it in a while. unless yours is the one not far off the road by a waterhole and some salt. I know Two cameras that I have seen are that way in that area. even then let him go get it and do what ever he wants with it .You can say if it wasnt for the fire and the roads being closed it would not have been there that long.

I have had shots come in my direction a time or two. That was back before camo and evryone wore a red or brown flanel shirt. I have not ever worne aorange. I will make my kids wear it when they go with me in the field. I don't do enough walking around to make me fill like I need the orange. If you get a good breakup orange the deer will not be able to see the orange so it is not a bad idea for people to wear it. I just don't like some people to see me. Then I find them there the next day. I tell you what though I sure know by naked eye when I see a hunter in blaze orange. So if you want to wear it go ahead . Even a cap like said above Is good enough to see.

No it is not unless you are from out of state. We are going to make out of state hunters wear them that are orange and say out of state hunter on the front and back.HA HA No it is not a must to wear it in Arizona. That is another reason why this state is one of the best to hunt in.

DBack You are right about a judge having the last word. I would also agree that being busted by a forest service ranger is not something to wory about if your more than a few feet off the road. I have never in my life come across one while hunting game. I have run into them while doing my other hunting. While prospecting a month ago I ran into one in the field. He told me I could not mine on forest land. I told him I was not mining at all just metal detecting for nuggets. He started filling out the citation, And I said what are you doing. He then told me I was being cited for mining on the forest land. There was rules and regulatiuons writen up for prospecting. It is OK to do. In the last year at least 10 guy's have taken it to court when they were busted. Every one of them have one the court case ,And charges were droped. The new regs they are working on seem to leave that kind of stuff up to the ranger him self to decide if you are mining or not. You may be right and not breaking the law. He will still give you a citation and you then have to go to court to proove what you were doing. Now I know this is a hunting forum. So I do not want to go into my other hobby on here to much. I am just trying to show that they will have a permit to do anything we love to do before to long. The group that is pushing the isue is the same group trying to keep us from atv riding and hunting and enjoying the great out doors for anything other that hiking and site seeing and hugging a few trees while we are out there. Now that is all fine and good but I may just want to shoot a deer and find some more gold out there too.

It is against the law. Just like putting a tree stand up on forest land is against the law if you leave it there all year long. To do anything on forest land to the trees or land that they would consider perminant is against the law. I would just go get it . do not worry about getting busted removeing it. If they get mad just say you called in and they told you to get it or pay for a permit. Even if they find it how do they know who to send the fine to. I do not have my name on my cameras for that reason. Your first wrong was calling the forest service. They have a permint for anything you can think of.They are revising alot of there laws right now that will leave alot up to the officer in the field . It will be a bad thing when they pass the new forest use regs. It will put an end to a bunch of things we love to do in the forest.Because If the ranger does not agree with the way you understand the law he can site you on the spot. It all will depend on the way each ranger reads and understands that law to mean. I know this because they are trying to stop us from gold prospecting with metal detectors on forest land. They understand that to be mining and it is not even close to mining. Acording to the rules and regs they curently have and have had for a hundred years on prospecting. A prospector could claim the mineral rights to an area and prospect on it. now they are trying to stop it. If you ask me it is just another way for the government to regulate us in a hobby. I better stop now I could go on forever witht his one. This is how I understand the laws to be in place if someone knows better than I hope they share it with us.